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Subject: Re: Mephisto MM IV and some questions for Ed Schroeder.

Author: Chuck

Date: 15:07:25 03/29/01

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On March 29, 2001 at 13:43:51, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On March 29, 2001 at 11:21:30, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>
>>Hi:
>>In 1989, in Paris, the very first day of my very first visit to that lovely
>>city, I went to "Le damier de l'Opera", a shop like ICD specialized in chess
>>stuff,  and there I met with a surprise: the guy that was in charge was chilean
>>like me. He was living in Paris since ever. Eventually this guy was going to
>>produce his own magazine, La puce Echiquien, dedicated top chess computers. As
>>many others, it is by now completely dead. The magazine, I mean. Well, this guy
>>said to me the Mephisto MM IV unit was the best buy at the moment even if it was
>>somewhat old for the time. But it was not too much; besides the price was good
>>so I got it and since then I played againts "him" lot of games until the day
>>came when advanced software and fast PC's made of MMIV not only a somewhat old
>>piece of chess computer, but an awfully obsolete one.
>>Nevertheless,  from time to time I put it again to life exhumating it from the
>>drawer where usually sleeps  and I play a game to see if my years of hard
>>trainning againts top programs have had some value after all. Well, yes. It is
>>in these ocasions when you perceive that your chess has improved even if you are
>>mauled 9 times of ten by the current crop of Tigers, centuries or Fritzses. MM
>>IV is tactically strong and can give you more than a surprise if you are
>>carefree and lazy, but it is enough strategically weak to give to a decent club
>>player more than a chance to trash him IF you avoid his tactical blows.
>>So this post has the this purpose: to advice you to do as me, playing at least
>>one game in five to any of these old and venerable monster in order to boots
>>your ego with some victories and to see how much better player you has became. I
>>clearly recall that my first games agains MMIV were almost all defeats even if I
>>worked hard at every move, but yesterday I trashed the poor criature almost
>>without thinking. Clearly, with time, a chess fan get more and more tactical
>>acumen and so the only weapon of those old programs is absolutely dented.
>>And now, Ed, tell me if I am right you was the programmer. And tell me about it.
>>How much Kb the program has? Which is his relation with programs that came
>>after?  Any story about this loved monster of mine, now again sleeping in the
>>drawer, would be cherished and welcome.
>>Fernando
>
>
>Hi Fernando,
>
>The MMIV was mine indeed. I believe it was released in 1986 and was
>massively sold during 3 years when it was replaced by the MMV. In those
>days it seems that everybody would like to have a chess computer to
>impress their neighbors all against the firm price of EUR 400 but in
>those days nobody seemed to care about that. It still relative was new
>that a computer could play chess and pretty strong too.
>
>To make the program was quite a challenge if you realize its system
>requirements, just 16 Kb ROM and 8 Kb RAM. To compare, these days
>Rebel is over 800 Kb ROM and 4000 Kb RAM minimum.
>
>From these 16 Kb ROM (16,000 bytes) more than 4 Kb went to the openingbook
>and about 6 Kb was in use for the Interface. Thus the left space for the
>chess engine was 6 Kb. Almost mission impossible to write a good positional
>chess program but somehow I managed. The MMIV was weak in tactics but was
>praised for its playing style.
>
>My direct concurrent in these days was Frans Morsch (Fritz). Although we
>worked for the same company there was a high competition between us. Frans
>had even less resources, if memory serves me well he had only 8 or 16 Kb
>ROM but much less RAM, 1 Kb or so. Still Frans managed to be in close
>competition with me regarding playing strength even with that great
>handicap.
>
>In these days I have been asked several times to write a chess program with
>such low resources as Frans but I never saw a possibility to do the job. I
>must admit that my interest was not in that direction, lower resources meant
>lower playing strength and I preferred to spend my time improving Rebel than
>making more money.
>
>Much to the dislike of the company I invested all my time in a new processor
>the ARM RISC processor which was much faster than the 6502 chip. In a way
>I was digging my own commercial grave (I could afford it) but the inner urge
>to more strength was too strong and also it was crystal clear to me that the
>6502 chip was a dead-end street. The ARM RISC processor was a totally new
>concept, 16 x 32 bit registers, no RAM limitations, a programmers paradise.
>
>In the end everything went well, my investment has honored by TASC. Without
>knowing from each other TASC had invested in the same processor. We met each
>other for the first time at the AEGON tournament where Johan the Koning
>(ChessMaster) also had a program running on the very same RISC processor.
>From one thing came another, the hard- and software combination later became
>known as the ChessMachine. I still have about 10-15 ChessMachine cards lying
>somewhere under the dust.
>
>This was the year 1989 for me, the year you bought a MMIV in Paris and I
>earned about DM 20 because of that. Thanks :)
>
>Ed

I would like to add how much I love my Mephisto Exclusive Polgar which I bought
say in 1990. After 11 years, it is still working perfectly and I enjoy playing
it more than any other program I have seen. Not only is it within reach of my
playing strength, but the Exclusive board is fantastic, and the Polgar has a
very human playing style in my opinion, which is very nice. I understand Ed also
did the Polgar, and it makes for a very nice game. Superbly done.

Chuck



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