Author: Brian Kostick
Date: 13:55:02 03/30/01
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On March 30, 2001 at 16:07:31, Dann Corbit wrote: >On March 30, 2001 at 15:20:05, James Robertson wrote: > >>I've noticed that a lot of programs are now battling the web. Does anybody know >>how many people are actually voting though? Gambit Tiger, for instance, only has >>the percentages, and not the actual numbers of voters. >> >>Out of curiosity, are these programs actually playing the "Web" or are they in >>reality just playing a few dozen chess freaks from this site? Does anybody know >>how many voters (even a very rough average will be interesting) there are for >>the games Deep Fritz, Deep Shredder, and Gambit Tiger vs. the web? >> >>I'm hoping the numbers are not too low. The fact that Deep Shredder's game was >>advertized on kasparovchess.com and TWIC is really good. Maybe this will attract >>substantially more people. > >"X verses the Web" is an old gimmick. Actually, most of the time, "the web" >plays much more poorly than a single good opponent. Imagine, a big committee >voting on which move to make. Are most of them spending 24 hours of computer >time analyzing a move or GM's themselves? Surely not. In general, it is a >farce (to my way of thinking) but a nice way to gather publicity. I think the >Kasparov match was different, however. For some reason, a very large group >galvanized resources very well, and organized fairly efficiently. The >commentary by the experts was quite good (and gave me new respect for I. Kush). >At any rate, that sort of high quality match [despite the attempted sabotage] is >_by far_ the exception rather than the rule. > >If you want to see very high quality chess, you will get far, far better by a >match between two highly rated opponents than one high quality opponent verses >the web. I think I could probably beat most people on the internet (which isn't >saying much) but I am absolutely sure that a really good player like Vincent, >Djordie, or Come would slaughter me repeatedly. So you get ten thousand morons >to collectively make their choice -- how good is that choice going to be? Even >if experts give excellent analysis -- will they even understand it? > >I suspect [snicker] that the higher the number of votes received, the LOWER the >quality of the move generated. If a move got a million votes, it is almost SURE >to be a real dog. > >IMO - YMMV. Dann, You write as if it's really ProgramX vs. the Web (where the Web describes thinking, chess playing individuals?). In reality I think the winning vote ends up being ProgramX vs. ManyPrograms, with 'ManyProgams' thinking maybe 16 min./move average but that's really just a guess on my part. The major vote discrepancies I've observed seem due to opening book lines. Regards, B.K.
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