Author: Uri Blass
Date: 20:52:15 03/30/01
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On March 30, 2001 at 16:07:31, Dann Corbit wrote: >On March 30, 2001 at 15:20:05, James Robertson wrote: > >>I've noticed that a lot of programs are now battling the web. Does anybody know >>how many people are actually voting though? Gambit Tiger, for instance, only has >>the percentages, and not the actual numbers of voters. >> >>Out of curiosity, are these programs actually playing the "Web" or are they in >>reality just playing a few dozen chess freaks from this site? Does anybody know >>how many voters (even a very rough average will be interesting) there are for >>the games Deep Fritz, Deep Shredder, and Gambit Tiger vs. the web? >> >>I'm hoping the numbers are not too low. The fact that Deep Shredder's game was >>advertized on kasparovchess.com and TWIC is really good. Maybe this will attract >>substantially more people. > >"X verses the Web" is an old gimmick. Actually, most of the time, "the web" >plays much more poorly than a single good opponent. Imagine, a big committee >voting on which move to make. Are most of them spending 24 hours of computer >time analyzing a move or GM's themselves? Surely not. In general, it is a >farce (to my way of thinking) but a nice way to gather publicity. I think the >Kasparov match was different, however. For some reason, a very large group >galvanized resources very well, and organized fairly efficiently. The >commentary by the experts was quite good (and gave me new respect for I. Kush). >At any rate, that sort of high quality match [despite the attempted sabotage] is >_by far_ the exception rather than the rule. I do not think that it is the case. I know that Gandalf and Deep Fritz lost against the web. In this case Deep Fritz got only 1 hour per move when Gandalf also did not use enough time and probably used only some minutes per move but if win against top computers programs even at tournament time control then the level of the game is high. I did not follow all the games of the world against somebody but I know only one case when the world played poorly and it was against karpov but in this case the sides had only 10 minutes per move if I remember correctly. > >If you want to see very high quality chess, you will get far, far better by a >match between two highly rated opponents than one high quality opponent verses >the web. I suspect that the majority of the voters are always friends of a grandmaster or friends of a program and they vote everything that they says. I think I could probably beat most people on the internet (which isn't >saying much) but I am absolutely sure that a really good player like Vincent, >Djordie, or Come would slaughter me repeatedly. So you get ten thousand morons >to collectively make their choice -- how good is that choice going to be? Even >if experts give excellent analysis -- will they even understand it? They do not need to understand it in order to play the move that the expert suggest. Uri
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