Author: James T. Walker
Date: 16:42:35 04/02/01
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On April 02, 2001 at 16:18:27, Chessfun wrote: >On April 02, 2001 at 16:04:02, Laurence Chen wrote: > >>On April 02, 2001 at 15:33:41, Georg v. Zimmermann wrote: >> >>>On April 02, 2001 at 09:23:09, Laurence Chen wrote: >>> >>>>On April 01, 2001 at 23:27:21, Chessfun wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 01, 2001 at 22:13:01, Laurence Chen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I think the Beta testers failed to check for bugs and they were supposed to >check for all bugs, no for chess engine strenght alone, this annoys me. >>>>> >>>>>Be serious we do far more than look at the engines. All bugs are reported. >>>>>The choice to make changes or not to make changes is the choice of >>>>>the programmers. >>>>> >>>>>From the Rebel Board; >>>>> >>>>>Kyodai >>>>>Member >>>>>Posts: 48 >>>>>Registered: Sep 2000 >>>>> posted 03-24-2001 09:51 >>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>1) I open CP5 and Gambit Tiger is loaded with 96 MB hash. >>>>>2) I then right click the board - clear board and enter the following position: >>>>>White: Kc2, Rf1 Pawn b2 >>>>>Black: Kg6, Rh8 >>>>>3) Then finish this set up and hit the icon for analysis mode. >>>>>4) No moves are displayed in the statistics >>>>>window. At the bottom it reads: "60 minutes--------0-0--------01.00----01.00, >>>>>since the >>>>>previous used level was game in 60' >>>>>5)When I hit "computer move" it looks allright in the statistics window. This >>>>>error >>>>>happens frequently. What's wrong? >>>>>B) I set up a position - play from this against Tiger - save the game and result >>>>>as **.pgn - then open this DB - the game is there. When I then try to load it by >>>>>double clicking the game - only the result is shown- >>>>>no moves. Am I overlooking something simple? >>>>> >>>>>Kyodai >>>>> >>>>>-------------- >>>>> >>>>>lex >>>>>Member >>>>>Posts: 308 >>>>>Registered: Nov 1999 >>>>> posted 03-24-2001 11:10 >>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>12345) Is this with Gambit Tiger 2.0 ?? Here it happens when the position is in >>>>>the Tablebases, when I disable the TB's it is ok. >>>>> >>>>>------------------- >>>>> >>>>>What you speak of was known a while ago. >>>>>Also read Jim Walker's post which is clear enough. >>>>> >>>>>Sarah. >>>>I don't go to the Rebel board, so I was not aware of this bug. I also program >>>>software for a living, and it's not a good thing for me to implement a bug >>>>software in my company because it would irate a lot of users, and my boss >>>>wouldn't be happy about. Quality Control is very important, and I wish it was >>>>also with software, specially with a lot of commercial software. Sometimes a >>>>lot of bugs are not discovered because the users or beta testers fail to spot >>>>them, or report them. Take the example of CM8000, it has a lot of bugs when it >>>>was release, and I can't believe that they allowed such software hit the market, >>>>yes, a patch was made available, but it took at least 3 months before it was >>>>made available. This may be all right with a game, but still it should not be >>>>used as an excuse. We need good quality software releases, not bug software >>>>which are release in order to meet the deadline. I think that's bad marketing. >>>>Regards, >>>>Laurence >>> >>>Hmm, I expected a "I am sorry my appologies to beta testers" when I opened your >>>post, not this. I can hardly believe that you write "software for a living" >>>without knowing that no complex program can be bug free. Even if that would be >>>possible it would be a matter of priorities ... >>> >>>Regards, >>>Geor >>If we continue to accept that it's all right to buy "buggy" software, then the >>people or companies which deliver "buggy" software will continue to do so, and a >>vicious cycle continues. I remember that my company bought a piece of software, >>and it cost several thousands of dollars, the demo which was sent showed that it >>could deliver and perform all the tasks which management wanted, however, when >>the day came to use the real thing, it had so many bugs, it was not able to >>handle a large scale of users, it could only handle a maximum of 2 users, and >>these users had to be in the same segment of the the network, also it was not >>compatible with the latest version of Excel, and guess what, the salesperson >>promised that if would be. My point is we consumers should take a stand and >>refuse to support "bug" software, and hopefully within time, the quality control >>of software engineering will improve. Look at cars, would you buy a "bug" car. >>The japanese cars in the 60's and 70's used to be like that, very "buggy" and >>unreliable. Nowadays, Japanese cars are very reliable. I understand that no >>software is "bug" free, but that should not be used as an excuse. Would you >>take a trip on a "bug" airplane which is 95% reliable, would you take a chance >>on the 5% and hope that the "bug" doesn't show up? >> >>In US, congress one time wanted to pass legislation against companies which >>deliver "buggy" software, because "buggy" software can cost business a lot of >>down time and money. Too bad, they were not able to pass that legislation, it >>would certainly forced Bill Gates to deliver more solid and reliable OS. > > >I think Georg meant simply that you should have in this case apologized >to the Rebel Beta testers. You originally wrote in relation to Tiger 14 >and Gambit 2.0; > >"I think the Beta testers failed to check for bugs and they were supposed to >check for all bugs, no for chess engine strenght alone, this annoys me." > >This statement was simply wrong and should have been apologized for. >Don't know about the CM8K nor care about Excel. But I do care about the >statement you make relevant to the Rebel testers, which was the subject >noted. > >Sarah. I would like to add one more reminder. This was not a "Bugfix", this was a major update for FREE. It is not perfect and neither is ANY chess software that I own. I also found a bug at the last minute which could not be fixed before the final release. I don't know if it will be fixed in a patch or just wait till the next commercial version. In any case I don't think anyone who gets this free update should complain. It's a grrrreat program! Jim
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