Author: John Merlino
Date: 17:11:00 04/02/01
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On April 02, 2001 at 18:21:50, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 02, 2001 at 17:52:03, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 02, 2001 at 16:17:16, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On April 02, 2001 at 16:07:12, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 02, 2001 at 15:50:24, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi there, >>>>> >>>>>in the game Chess Tiger vs. The Web ... >>>>>http://www.rebel.nl/gt2-web.htm >>>>> >>>>>the position is not easy for The Web. White have at the moment all important >>>>>fields and black not a very good plan. So I think an idea is to play h5 later >>>>>Ng8 - Ne7 to have here more possibiliys on the king side. >>>>> >>>>>We will see ... interesting ... ! >>>>> >>>>>Best >>>>>Frank >>>> >>>>If white can't win with a king-side attack it is going to lose miserably in >>>>the endgame. >>> >>> >>> >>>I do not understand the basis for this remark. >>> >>>I don't see any long term weakness in white's position. So what? >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >> >>All you have to do is look at the board. White has weaknesses _everywhere_ >> >>Every time you push a pawn, you create a weakness... white has pushed >>several. I would suggest asking a good IM/GM as to how this looks. To me, >>white had better roll on the kingside before the endgame arrives. Otherwise >>black can infiltrate wherever he wants, while white will be tied to defending >>all the weak squares he has created with those pawn pushes... > >I do not know > >Here is the only game that I find from the relevant position >I tend to agree with christophe. > >[Event "Wijk m"] >[Site "Wijk aan Zee"] >[Date "1993.01.??"] >[Round "2"] >[White "Salov,Valery"] >[Black "Akopian,Vladimir"] >[Result "1-0"] >[Eco "A45"] >1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Qa5+ 5.c3 Nf6 6.Nd2 cxd4 7.Nb3 Qb6 8.Qxd4 Qxd4 >9.cxd4 d5 10.e3 e6 11.g4 Nc6 12.Bb5 Bd7 13.a3 Kd8 14.Rc1 Ne8 15.Nc5 Bxc5 16.Rxc5 >Ke7 >17.Ne2 Nd6 18.Bd3 Rac8 19.b4 b6 20.Rc3 a5 21.b5 Na7 22.a4 Rxc3 23.Nxc3 Rc8 >24.Kd2 Nc4+ >25.Kc2 f6 26.e4 dxe4 27.fxe4 Nd6 28.Kb3 Nf7 29.e5 Rh8 30.Ne4 h5 31.g5 fxg5 >32.Nxg5 Nh6 >33.Bc1 Nc8 34.Rf1 h4 35.h3 Rg8 36.Bh7 Rh8 37.Bg6 Be8 38.Ba3+ Kd7 39.Be4 Ne7 >40.Bxe7 Kxe7 >41.Rc1 Bd7 42.Rc7 Kd8 43.Rb7 1-0 > > >Uri CM8000 has that game as well. But, interestingly enough, we seem to be at a significant crossroads, as, according to CM8000, 13...Kd8 is not as good as 13...Be7, which appears to be MARGINALLY better: Analysis after 13.a3: Time Depth Score Positions Moves 0:00 1/4 0.22 3227 13...Ne7 14. Bxd7+ Nxd7 15. Ne2 Rc8 16. Bd6 0:00 2/6 -0.02 35167 13...Be7 14. Nc5 O-O 15. Nxd7 Nxd7 16. Ne2 a6 0:01 3/7 0.03 109856 13...Be7 14. Ne2 a6 15. Bd3 O-O 16. Rc1 Rfc8 17. Nc5 0:03 3/8 -0.03 243168 13...Be7 14. Ne2 a6 15. Bd3 O-O 16. Rc1 b6 17. h4 Rfc8 0:10 4/9 0.16 724363 13...Be7 14. Ne2 O-O 15. Bd3 a5 16. Rc1 Rfc8 17. h4 b6 18. Kf2 0:38 4/10 0.15 2583236 13...Be7 14. Ne2 O-O 15. Bd3 Rfc8 16. h4 a6 17. g5 Nh5 18. Bh2 b6 0:48 4/10 0.06 3294069 13...Ne7 14. Bd3 Ng6 15. Bg3 Ba4 16. Nd2 Be7 17. g5 Nd7 18. b3 1:36 5/11 0.34 6908432 13...Ne7 14. Bd3 Ng6 15. Bg3 Ba4 16. Nd2 Be7 17. Rc1 Nd7 18. Ne2 O-O 19. h4 2:21 5/11 0.19 10187632 13...Be7 14. Ne2 O-O 15. Bd3 a5 16. Rc1 Rfc8 17. h4 a4 18. Nc5 e5 19. dxe5 Nxe5 20. Bxe5 Bxc5 21. Bxf6 gxf6 7:00 6/12 0.14 29862069 13...Be7 14. Ne2 O-O 15. Bd3 a6 16. h4 b6 17. Kf2 Ne8 18. Rac1 Nd6 19. e4 Rfc8 Analysis after 13...Kd8: Time Depth Score Positions Moves 0:00 2/5 0.44 15243 14. Bd3 a6 15. Ne2 h5 16. g5 0:00 2/6 0.61 37918 14. Bd3 Be7 15. Ne2 h6 16. Rc1 Rc8 17. h4 0:02 3/7 0.54 128857 14. Bd3 h6 15. h4 Be7 16. Ne2 h5 17. g5 0:05 3/8 0.62 365238 14. Bd3 Ne7 15. Rc1 Rc8 16. Nc5 Bc6 17. Ne2 Ng6 0:21 4/9 0.61 1411448 14. Bd3 Ne8 15. Ne2 Bd6 16. Rc1 e5 17. dxe5 Nxe5 18. Bg5+ f6 0:50 4/10 0.64 3402198 14. Bd3 Ne8 15. Ne2 f6 16. Bg3 Nd6 17. O-O-O b6 18. Kb1 a6 19. e4 3:04 5/11 0.49 12807176 14. Bd3 h5 15. g5 Ne8 16. e4 dxe4 17. fxe4 e5 18. dxe5 Be6 19. Bc2 Rc8 10:33 6/12 0.57 44302653 14. Bd3 h5 15. g5 Ne8 16. Ne2 Bd6 17. Rc1 e5 18. dxe5 Nxe5 19. Bxe5 Bxe5 20. Ned4 Nc7 21. O-O But, then again, who am I to refute GMs? ;-) jm
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