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Subject: Re: Chess Tiger vs. The Web ... not easy the position ...

Author: John Merlino

Date: 17:11:00 04/02/01

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On April 02, 2001 at 18:21:50, Uri Blass wrote:

>On April 02, 2001 at 17:52:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 02, 2001 at 16:17:16, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On April 02, 2001 at 16:07:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 02, 2001 at 15:50:24, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>>in the game Chess Tiger vs. The Web ...
>>>>>http://www.rebel.nl/gt2-web.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>the position is not easy for The Web. White have at the moment all important
>>>>>fields and black not a very good plan. So I think an idea is to play h5 later
>>>>>Ng8 - Ne7 to have here more possibiliys on the king side.
>>>>>
>>>>>We will see ... interesting ... !
>>>>>
>>>>>Best
>>>>>Frank
>>>>
>>>>If white can't win with a king-side attack it is going to lose miserably in
>>>>the endgame.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I do not understand the basis for this remark.
>>>
>>>I don't see any long term weakness in white's position. So what?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Christophe
>>
>>
>>All you have to do is look at the board.  White has weaknesses _everywhere_
>>
>>Every time you push a pawn, you create a weakness...  white has pushed
>>several.  I would suggest asking a good IM/GM as to how this looks.  To me,
>>white had better roll on the kingside before the endgame arrives.  Otherwise
>>black can infiltrate wherever he wants, while white will be tied to defending
>>all the weak squares he has created with those pawn pushes...
>
>I do not know
>
>Here is the only game that I find from the relevant position
>I tend to agree with christophe.
>
>[Event "Wijk m"]
>[Site "Wijk aan Zee"]
>[Date "1993.01.??"]
>[Round "2"]
>[White "Salov,Valery"]
>[Black "Akopian,Vladimir"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[Eco "A45"]
>1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Qa5+ 5.c3 Nf6 6.Nd2 cxd4 7.Nb3 Qb6 8.Qxd4 Qxd4
>9.cxd4 d5 10.e3 e6 11.g4 Nc6 12.Bb5 Bd7 13.a3 Kd8 14.Rc1 Ne8 15.Nc5 Bxc5 16.Rxc5
>Ke7
>17.Ne2 Nd6 18.Bd3 Rac8 19.b4 b6 20.Rc3 a5 21.b5 Na7 22.a4 Rxc3 23.Nxc3 Rc8
>24.Kd2 Nc4+
>25.Kc2 f6 26.e4 dxe4 27.fxe4 Nd6 28.Kb3 Nf7 29.e5 Rh8 30.Ne4 h5 31.g5 fxg5
>32.Nxg5 Nh6
>33.Bc1 Nc8 34.Rf1 h4 35.h3 Rg8 36.Bh7 Rh8 37.Bg6 Be8 38.Ba3+ Kd7 39.Be4 Ne7
>40.Bxe7 Kxe7
>41.Rc1 Bd7 42.Rc7 Kd8 43.Rb7  1-0
>
>
>Uri

CM8000 has that game as well. But, interestingly enough, we seem to be at a
significant crossroads, as, according to CM8000, 13...Kd8 is not as good as
13...Be7, which appears to be MARGINALLY better:

Analysis after 13.a3:
Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/4	0.22	3227		13...Ne7 14. Bxd7+ Nxd7 15. Ne2
					Rc8 16. Bd6
0:00	2/6	-0.02	35167		13...Be7 14. Nc5 O-O 15. Nxd7 Nxd7
					16. Ne2 a6
0:01	3/7	0.03	109856		13...Be7 14. Ne2 a6 15. Bd3 O-O
					16. Rc1 Rfc8 17. Nc5
0:03	3/8	-0.03	243168		13...Be7 14. Ne2 a6 15. Bd3 O-O
					16. Rc1 b6 17. h4 Rfc8
0:10	4/9	0.16	724363		13...Be7 14. Ne2 O-O 15. Bd3 a5
					16. Rc1 Rfc8 17. h4 b6 18. Kf2
0:38	4/10	0.15	2583236		13...Be7 14. Ne2 O-O 15. Bd3 Rfc8
					16. h4 a6 17. g5 Nh5 18. Bh2 b6
0:48	4/10	0.06	3294069		13...Ne7 14. Bd3 Ng6 15. Bg3 Ba4
					16. Nd2 Be7 17. g5 Nd7 18. b3
1:36	5/11	0.34	6908432		13...Ne7 14. Bd3 Ng6 15. Bg3 Ba4
					16. Nd2 Be7 17. Rc1 Nd7 18. Ne2
					O-O 19. h4
2:21	5/11	0.19	10187632	13...Be7 14. Ne2 O-O 15. Bd3 a5
					16. Rc1 Rfc8 17. h4 a4 18. Nc5
					e5 19. dxe5 Nxe5 20. Bxe5 Bxc5
					21. Bxf6 gxf6
7:00	6/12	0.14	29862069	13...Be7 14. Ne2 O-O 15. Bd3 a6
					16. h4 b6 17. Kf2 Ne8 18. Rac1
					Nd6 19. e4 Rfc8

Analysis after 13...Kd8:
Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	2/5	0.44	15243		14. Bd3 a6 15. Ne2 h5 16. g5
0:00	2/6	0.61	37918		14. Bd3 Be7 15. Ne2 h6 16. Rc1
					Rc8 17. h4
0:02	3/7	0.54	128857		14. Bd3 h6 15. h4 Be7 16. Ne2 h5
					17. g5
0:05	3/8	0.62	365238		14. Bd3 Ne7 15. Rc1 Rc8 16. Nc5
					Bc6 17. Ne2 Ng6
0:21	4/9	0.61	1411448		14. Bd3 Ne8 15. Ne2 Bd6 16. Rc1
					e5 17. dxe5 Nxe5 18. Bg5+ f6
0:50	4/10	0.64	3402198		14. Bd3 Ne8 15. Ne2 f6 16. Bg3
					Nd6 17. O-O-O b6 18. Kb1 a6 19. e4
3:04	5/11	0.49	12807176	14. Bd3 h5 15. g5 Ne8 16. e4 dxe4
					17. fxe4 e5 18. dxe5 Be6 19. Bc2
					Rc8
10:33	6/12	0.57	44302653	14. Bd3 h5 15. g5 Ne8 16. Ne2 Bd6
					17. Rc1 e5 18. dxe5 Nxe5 19. Bxe5
					Bxe5 20. Ned4 Nc7 21. O-O

But, then again, who am I to refute GMs? ;-)

jm



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