Author: Eelco de Groot
Date: 02:38:29 04/03/01
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On April 03, 2001 at 02:06:20, Eelco de Groot wrote:
>On April 03, 2001 at 00:05:41, Kurt Widmann wrote:
>
>>On April 02, 2001 at 15:50:24, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>
>>>Hi there,
>>>
>>>in the game Chess Tiger vs. The Web ...
>>>http://www.rebel.nl/gt2-web.htm
>>>
>>>the position is not easy for The Web. White have at the moment all important
>>>fields and black not a very good plan. So I think an idea is to play h5 later
>>>Ng8 - Ne7 to have here more possibiliys on the king side.
>>>
>>>We will see ... interesting ... !
>>>
>>>Best
>>>Frank
>>
>>Well it looks like a draw to me.
>>
>>1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Qa5+ 5.c3 Nf6 6.Nd2 cxd4 7.Nb3 Qb6 8.Qxd4 Qxd4
>>9.cxd4 d5 10.e3 e6 11.g4 Nc6 12.Bb5 Bd7 13.a3 Kd8 14.Rc1 [14.Nc5 Bxc5 15.dxc5
>>Na5 16.Bxd7 Nxd7 17.b4 Nc4 18.Ke2 h5;
>>14.Bd3 Rc8 15.Rc1 h6 16.h4 Be7 17.Nc5 Bxc5 18.Rxc5 Re8 19.g5 Nh5 20.Bd6 b6
>>21.Rc3 e5 22.dxe5 Nxe5 23.Rxc8+ Bxc8 24.Bxe5 Rxe5 25.Kf2] 14...Rc8 [14...Ne8
>>15.Nc5 Bxc5 16.Rxc5 a6 17.Bd3 f6 18.Ne2 (18.Bg3 b6 19.Rc3 e5) 18...b6 19.Rc3 e5
>>20.Bg3 h5 21.gxh5 Rxh5 22.Kf2 Ne7 23.Rhc1 Nf5 24.b4 a5 25.b5 Nxg3 26.hxg3 Nd6
>>27.a4 Rc8 28.Rxc8+ Nxc8 29.g4 Rh3 30.Kg2 Rh8 31.Kg3 Nd6 32.Nc3 Be6 33.dxe5 fxe5
>>34.f4 exf4+ 35.Kxf4 Ke7 36.Ke5 Nf7+ 37.Kd4 Ng5 38.Be2] 15.Bd3 h6 16.Nh3 a5
>>17.Nc5 Bxc5 18.Rxc5 Re8 19.g5 hxg5 20.Bd6 Rh8 21.Nxg5 Be8 22.Bb5 Nh7 23.Rg1 Nxg5
>>24.Rxg5 b6 25.Rc3 Nxd4 26.Rxc8+ Kxc8 27.exd4 Bxb5 28.Rxg7 Kd7 29.Be5 Ke8
>>Regards,
>>Kurt Widmann
>
>
>
> I think I basically would like to play the same moves in this position, Kurt.
>The computer wants to play something else though than Akopian's 13. ..Ke8-d8.
>But at least if 13. ..Ke8-d8 14. Ra1-c1 Ra8-c8 we are not mindlessly following a
>lost game anymore. I think Gambit Tiger would be out of book then.
>
> I tried to do some research but I couldn't find any more analysis of the game
>Salov-Akopian after the moves 11.g2-g4 Nb8-c6 anymore, there is just a mention
>of a game Lputian-Mirumian Ankara zt 1995 with 11. ..Bb4, that's were the
>analysis of this game stops... That's in New In Chess Yearbook 42, in an article
>about this line of the Trompowsky. The article is rather pessimistic about
>Black's chances after 8. ..Qxd4 though, Ian Rogers prefers 8. ..Nc6 as given
>later by Nunn in his NCO as well.
>
>I just could find a mention that Salov was particularly pleased with this game
>with which he knocked Akopian out of the Hoogovens K.O. style tournament that
>year. Salov was playing very well those days.
>
> Eelco
On the other hand, losing the Bishop pair after 13. ..Ke8-d8 14. Ra1-c1 Ra8-c8
15.Nb3-c5 Bf8xc5 16.Rc1xc5 and giving White a chance to put two Rooks on the
c-file doesn't look so super anymore either.
This is what Q5T had in mind:
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ -
8 | *R| | | | *K| *B| | *R|
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ 00:00:00 00:00:00
7 | *p| *p| | *B| | *p| *p| *p|
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
6 | | | *N| | *p| *N| | | Time infinite
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Hash 28 Mb
5 | | B | | *p| | | | | Engine Rebel Century 3.0
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Personality Q5T3W5.ENG
4 | | | | p | | B | p | | anti-GM Off
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Tactics Off
3 | p | N | | | p | p | | | Bluff Chess Off
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Style Normal
2 | | p | | | | | | p | Strength Strongest
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Search Deeper Search
1 | R | | | | K | | N | R |
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ 12.. Bf1-b5 Bc8-d7
a b c d e f g h 13.. a2-a3
[D]r3kb1r/pp1b1ppp/2n1pn2/1B1p4/3P1BP1/PN2PP2/1P5P/R3K1NR b KQkq -
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "-9928.-2.34"]
[Round "?"]
[White ""]
[Black ""]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[ECO "A45"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Qa5 5.c3 Nf6 6.Nd2 cxd4 7.Nb3 Qb6
8.Qxd4 Qxd4 9.cxd4 d5 10.e3 e6 11.g4 Nc6 12.Bb5 Bd7 13.a3 *
00:00:00 1.00 -0.19 13..O-O-O
00:00:00 1.07 -0.07 13..Be7
00:00:00 1.11 -0.01 13..Rc8
00:00:00 2.00 -0.13 13..Rc8 14.Rc1
00:00:00 2.05 0.04 13..a6 14.Bd3
00:00:00 2.09 0.05 13..Ne7 14.Bd3
00:00:00 3.00 -0.04 13..Ne7 14.Bxd7+ Nxd7 15.Rc1
00:00:00 4.00 0.12 13..Ne7 14.Bd3 Rc8 15.Ne2
00:00:00 5.00 0.13 13..Ne7 14.Bd3 Rc8 15.Nc5 b6
00:00:00 6.00 0.13 13..Ne7 14.Bd3 Ng6 15.Bg5 Ba4 16.Bxf6
gxf6 (0)
00:00:00 7.00 0.09 13..Ne7 14.Bxd7+ Nxd7 15.Rc1 Rc8
16.e4 Rxc1 17.Nxc1 b5 18.b4 (0)
00:00:01 8.00 0.12 13..Ne7 14.Bxd7+ Nxd7 15.Rc1 Rc8
16.Rxc8 Nxc8 17.Ne2 b5 18.e4 Bd6 (1)
00:00:05 9.00 0.07 13..Ne7 14.Bd3 Ng6 15.Bg3 Rc8 16.Ne2
Ba4 17.Rc1 Rxc1 18.Nbxc1 (3)
00:00:09 9.06 0.07 13..Nd8 14.Bxd7+ Nxd7 15.Rc1 Nb6
16.Ne2 Nc4 17.Rc2 Rc8 18.e4 (9)
00:00:18 10.00 0.01 13..Nd8 14.Bd3 Ba4 15.Nd2 Rc8 16.Ne2
Be7 17.b3 Bd7 18.Kf2 (13)
00:00:23 10.01 0.12 13..Ne7 14.Bd3 Rc8 15.Ne2 b6 16.g5
Nh5 17.Bd6 Nf5 18.Bxf8 Kxf8 (18)
00:00:49 11.00 0.05 13..Ne7 14.Bd3 Rc8 15.Ne2 b6 16.g5
Nh5 17.Bd6 Ba4 18.Nd2 b5 (37)
00:02:46 12.00 0.00 13..Ne7 14.Bd3 Ng6 15.Bg3 Ba4 16.Nd2
Rc8 17.b3 Bd7 (116)
00:08:30 13.00 0.00 13..Ne7 14.Bd3 Ng6 15.Bg3 Rc8 16.Ne2
Be7 17.Rc1 (356)
00:28:22 14.00 -0.06 13..Ne7 14.Bd3 Ng6 15.Bg3 Ba4 16.Nd2
Rc8 17.Ne2 Be7 18.Kf2 (1122)
01:42:03 15.00 0.00 13..Ne7 14.Bd3 Ng6 15.Bg3 h5 16.Bxg6
fxg6 17.gxh5 gxh5 18.Rc1 Ba4 19.Rc3 (4063)
05:42:15 16.00 -0.05 13..Ne7 14.Bd3 Ng6 15.Bg3 h5 16.Bxg6
fxg6 17.gxh5 gxh5 18.Rc1 Ba4 19.Nd2 (12842)
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