Author: Brian Kostick
Date: 13:55:43 04/03/01
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On April 03, 2001 at 13:51:29, John Merlino wrote:
>On April 03, 2001 at 01:19:34, Brian Kostick wrote:
>
>>On April 02, 2001 at 20:33:40, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On April 02, 2001 at 17:30:18, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi John,
>>>>
>>>>>I don't know if you were aware of CM8000 vs. The Web, but it appears that The
>>>>>Web (as White) has already lost the game before the 20th move! The URL is
>>>>>
>>>>>www.chessbrain.de/cd/ce/ce.html
>>>>>
>>>>>My quick analysis of the current position using CM8000 shows that, if The Web
>>>>>plays 21.Bf4 (the current leading move), then it will get REALLY ugly! (21...Nc6
>>>>>22.Qa4 Bxd4! 23.Bxb8 Bxf2+!)
>>>>
>>>>Interesting game !
>>>>I vote for Nb3, I believe the Queen must have a better field.
>>>>
>>>>But very interesting your analysis, must make later a analyses with my chess
>>>>programs :-)
>>>>
>>>>Best
>>>>Frank
>>>
>>>The Web made an error with 11.Nbd2, and it's all been (slowly) getting worse for
>>>White after that, as that move really cramped White's mobility and development.
>>>
>>>Looking forward to your analysis,
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>> Boy, a tough choice where to hop in the thread with my $0.02! Sometimes it
>>seems like you just need to roll the marbles in your palm rather than act brazen
>>so I voted Nb3.
>>
>> If 21. Bf4 Nc6 22. Qa4 Bxd4 maybe 23. h3 ... I couldn't think all that hard.
>>Anyway, who knows what "The Web" will do. This would puts us down a pawn +/- any
>>positional points. If "The Web" plays poorly and I have to lick Mr. Corbit's
>>boots for what I said in another thread.....
>>
>> John, You mentioned move 11. I would have liked maybe 11. Ne5 as in Kasparov
>>vs. Shirov 1-0, Corus 2001, but water under the bridge now. Also I liked the
>>idea of logging the moves with email address, seems the format has changed some
>>with this move? Amateur commentary by, Brian K.
>
>MCO-14 agrees with you:
>
>"Sharp tactics follow after 10...Bg4 11.Ne5 Bxe5 12.dxe5 Nac5 13.f3 Nxd3 14.Qxd3
>Nc5 15.Qd4 Nb3 16.Qxg4 Nxa1 17.Bh6 g6 18.cxd5 Qxd5 19.Nc3 Qc5+ 20.Kh1 Nb3 21.Qf4
>Rfe8 22.Ne4 Qxe5 23.Nf6+ Kh8 24.Qh4 Re6 {unclear}, Giaccio-Ginzburg, Argentinian
>Chp., 1998. This may be Black's objectively best continuation, but he must
>defend coolly."
>
>This, of course, would have been much more exciting, but I still wouldn't throw
>in the towel yet as White. There might be something down the road.
>
>CM8000's Analysis of the current position:
>
>Time Depth Score Positions Moves
>0:00 2/5 -1.06 12980 22. Qa4 Bxd4 23. Bxb8 Rxb8 24.
> Qb5 Qh6
>0:00 2/6 -1.32 41723 22. Qa4 Bxd4 23. Bxb8 Rxb8 24.
> Nb3 Bxb2
>0:01 2/6 -1.23 57298 22. Qb5 Nxd4 23. Qa4 Rbd8 24. Re7
> Be2
>0:03 3/7 -1.52 204360 22. Qb5 Rbd8 23. Be2 Nxd4 24. Bxg4
> Qxg4 25. Qd3 Rfe8 26. Bd6
>0:12 3/8 -1.41 765507 22. Qb5 Rbd8 23. Rac1 Bxd4 24.
> Be3 Bxe3 25. fxe3 Ne5 26. Rc7
>0:17 3/8 -0.90 1053685 22. Qa4 Bxd4 23. Bxb8 Rxb8 24.
> h4 Rd8 25. Qb5 Bb6 26. Rac1
>0:29 4/9 -0.90 1918164 22. Qa4 Bxd4 23. Bxb8 Rxb8 24.
> h4 Rd8 25. Qb5 Bb6 26. Rac1
>1:44 4/10 -1.28 7391372 22. Qa4 Bxd4 23. h4 Rbe8 24. Qb5
> Rxe1+ 25. Rxe1 Bb6 26. Kg2 Nd4
> 27. Qe8 f6
>5:41 5/11 -1.38 25939317 22. Qa4 Bxd4 23. h4 Rbc8 24. Rac1
> Bb6 25. Kg2 Rfe8 26. f3 Bf5 27.
> Qb3 Qg6
>
>So, maybe 23.h4 instead of h3?
>
>jm
No, no time to throw in the towel. Some that know me don't like that I fight
on even when in lost position. I'm not always a jerk, but sometimes I do want
the game to end by checkmate or so clearly as I can see the end. No time for was
it brain game #14 retrospect?
If you happen to read maybe you can answer this question: MCO-14 is a reading
book? Perhaps I will purchase as study material.
I will comment on two factors I didn't like about the move/voting list. One is
the implied best to worst stacking order. Some just vote for the first move on a
list of this type. Next I don't like the public viewing of the vote, BEFORE they
enter thier own vote. This has influence by public opinion.
On to todays thinking/evaluation... Regards, Brian K.
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