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Subject: Re: Same with CM8000 vs The Web

Author: John Merlino

Date: 18:04:12 04/03/01

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On April 03, 2001 at 20:36:13, Brian Kostick wrote:

>On April 03, 2001 at 18:56:54, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On April 03, 2001 at 16:55:43, Brian Kostick wrote:
>>
>>>  No, no time to throw in the towel. Some that know me don't like that I fight
>>>on even when in lost position. I'm not always a jerk, but sometimes I do want
>>>the game to end by checkmate or so clearly as I can see the end. No time for was
>>>it brain game #14 retrospect?
>>>
>>> If you happen to read maybe you can answer this question: MCO-14 is a reading
>>>book? Perhaps I will purchase as study material.
>>>
>>>  I will comment on two factors I didn't like about the move/voting list. One is
>>>the implied best to worst stacking order. Some just vote for the first move on a
>>>list of this type. Next I don't like the public viewing of the vote, BEFORE they
>>>enter thier own vote. This has influence by public opinion.
>>>
>>> On to todays thinking/evaluation... Regards, Brian K.
>>
>>MCO-14 means "Modern Chess Openings, 14th Edition". This is the most recent
>>edition, released two years ago, and it is by GM Nick DeFirmian. I wouldn't
>>exactly call it a "reading book", but rather a reference with annotations.
>>
>>As for the voting list, I don't like the new format either. But, at least I was
>>able to talk them out of putting the current vote total in the list, so the
>>people who DON'T know that the list is sorted can still vote their conscience.
>>
>>jm
>
>John,
>
>   I don't know that the list was sorted, but apparently some thought so? Due to
>the inverted cone shape of the voting I would say that the list wasn't random.
>Thanks for your efforts to delay the viewing of the current vote. Until now I
>wasn't aware that you had worked on this.
>
>  Thanks for the info on MCO-14. I think I did once see it with a couple of
>other opening books, one of them the Nunn opening work. Right now my openings
>are limited/short as I study tactics and endgame quite heavily, but I keep in
>mind good reference material.  Also, I was fishing for a term to describe an
>ink/paper book, rather than a computer opening book so I used the phrase
>"reading book". I'm sure we have understanding on this issue.
>
>  If you or someone else happens to read, maybe there is a comment on ChessBrain
>and the information or engine behind it? I am not familar with it, or where it's
>suggestions come from. Thank you, Brian K.

For at least one day, the list was sorted AND the number of votes for each move
was displayed with the move. I suggested that they stop showing the number of
votes, but I would suspect that the list is still sorted (whether it is
intentional or not, I do not know).

I was the liaison between the marketing people here and the ChessBrain people.
They contacted us regarding a CM8000 vs. the Web game, I passed on the request
to the appropriate people, and handled all communication necessary to start the
game.

ChessBrain appears to be a database program that also has the ability to add
lengthy annotations (based on database findings and statistics, or on an
engine's analysis) to games. I have not seen it, so I cannot comment on how good
it is, though....

jm



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