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Subject: Re: Chess Tiger vs. The Web ... not easy the position ...

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:01:22 04/04/01

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On April 04, 2001 at 01:05:31, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>On April 03, 2001 at 22:12:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 03, 2001 at 18:22:58, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>>
>>>On April 03, 2001 at 14:14:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 03, 2001 at 14:04:24, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 03, 2001 at 10:58:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 03, 2001 at 08:40:09, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>.....that is true but do not underestimate the value of activity. White can
>>>>>>>probably force weaknesses on black the next few moves by putting up threats with
>>>>>>>the active pieces!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Torstein
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I didn't underestimate anything.  That is why I said "White had better do
>>>>>>something with a king attack before Black regroups and reaches a won endgame
>>>>>>position."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You could say that in the following position wihtout much risk of being wrong:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Christophe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>[D]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The only difference is that neither side has made any weaknesses yet.
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>In the position you gave, white doesn't have to attack at all.  He can play
>>>>slowly and solidly.  Once you push most of the pawns, you are committed.  And
>>>>you can't go back.
>>>
>>>Bob, this is where you are wrong I think.  In the original position (from the
>>>Tiger game), the whole key to white's play is to play solidly and slowly!
>>>Pushing a few pawns to gain space does NOT necessitate a king-side attack, often
>>>the correct way to use a space advantage is to just squeeze the opponent to
>>>death.  In the Tiger game, I would expect alot of white's play to come on the
>>>kingside and down the c-file especially.
>>>
>>>Peter
>>
>>
>>I think you mis-read my post.  My "slowly and solidly" was directed at the
>
>NO, I understood it perfectly.  I understood it so well that I was inclined to
>disagree with it!
>
>>position where _nothing_ has been moved.  I don't think white can play slowly
>>in the GT vs Web game.  If so, I think black will win.  I think white has to
>>try to immediately translate his space advantage into something more concrete
>>before black infiltrates.
>
>I disagree completely.  Black cannot infiltrate if white keeps a 'clamp' on the
>position.  This is why white can afford to play 'slow' moves like a3, because
>they prevent black from freeing himself.
>
>See
>http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?161507
>for my further thoughts on the position.
>
>Peter


Lets agree to disagree for the moment.  Another 10-15 moves should unravel
a lot of details.



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