Author: Günther Simon
Date: 13:29:58 04/04/01
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On April 04, 2001 at 13:30:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On April 04, 2001 at 11:02:04, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On April 04, 2001 at 10:26:38, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>Sorry i should call it "World versus Shredder" >>>like homepage says. >>> >>>BUT WHY DOES SHREDDER PLAY WHITE? >>> >>>that's unfair like in tiger-world where tiger is already won out of >>>book and now it's just a matter of a few moves. >>> >>>In all positions as selected at http://www.gambitsoft.net/_shredder/ >>>there white has practical big advantage to play. Not a single opening >>>where shredder plays bad either with white. >>> >>>Like in the french line he chose the bad Qc7 line instead of the best >>>move O-O. >>> >>>However the majority of those positions with black is an absolute nightmare. >>> >>>Except of course the spanish/ruy lopez line where better book is always >>>more convincing as how you play, as the opening is too difficult for >>>programs anyway. >>> >>>Anyway a quote from Necchi on the homepage: >>> >>>"I have searched good positions for the match Deep Shredder vs. The World ..." >>> >>>Yeah he sure did. >>> >>>Why do all those program versus world matches take white anyway? >>>I mean the average level on the world is like 1500, so if dudes play >>>without computer you'll see 1500 moves. >>> >>>So it's a sure win anyway as the average move is real bad. >>> >>>the average computer move isn't good either. Many 1900 rated dedicated >>>computers still getting used. >> >>I do not believe it. >>I know that computers often lose in these matches. >> >>Fritz lost against germany. >>Gandalf also lost against the web. > >Says more something about the average computer program and >publicity about a match against it, >as i can't remember a single GM ever having lost such a match. > >Perhaps in these matches only a few people played? > >>The web had more time to calculate in this match but it is clear that your >>theory is wrong otherwise Fritz and Gandalf could win easily. > >Well you mention 2 programs who both know nothing about good versus >bad bishop, and i never have heart about a web versus these program >matches, though i regurarly nowadays check CCC! > >>I guess that the average move is a very good move simply because of the fact >>that few good players with a lot of friends always get the majority. > >But i nowhere see analysis of those good players about the shredder >versus web match. i clicked there and saw: "vote for move", >without me seeing the position even. had to click another link >for that :) > >>The good players may be top chess programs on good hardware or humans who use >>the programs and choose the moves of the program in almost 100% of the cases. >>Uri > >But my experience is that in really big matches where voting decides that >the average move is real bad. > >The majority of this world is low rated. You obviously quote 2 games >i never heart of, which means probably only a few players played there. > >In that case your assumption that a few good players can influence the >voting bigtime is very true. > >Best regards, >Vincent Why wont you see that even when the average chessplayers in the world are low-rated [and they really are ;)] only a handfull of them vote in such internet matches. Most of the people who participate in such events are ones with a good program at home or having a much higher level themselves than the "Mr.Smith" chess-players.(As Uri posted before) Btw I do also know the two mentioned Web-games, maybe you were in holidays?:)) Best regards, Günther
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