Author: stuart taylor
Date: 17:34:35 04/04/01
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On April 04, 2001 at 16:49:00, James T. Walker wrote: >On April 04, 2001 at 13:41:47, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On April 04, 2001 at 10:43:24, stuart taylor wrote: >> >>>On April 04, 2001 at 09:13:03, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>> >>>>On April 04, 2001 at 09:00:51, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 04, 2001 at 08:54:59, Aloisio Ponti Lopes wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Bullet 1 minute/game matches on ERT: >>>>>> >>>>>>Gambit Tiger 2 x Yace 0.99 76 x 24 >>>>>>Gambit Tiger 2 x Crafty 18.1 66,5 x 33,5 >>>>>>Gambit Tiger 2 x LG2000v2.9 90 x 10 !!!!! >>>>>> >>>>>>A. Ponti >>>>> >>>>>how about setting both engines to 'instant move' >>>>>and then play a few thousands of games? >>>> >>>>Oh my god >>> >>>If Kramnik or Kasparov were playing at instant time, or even 1 minute per game, >>>I think their level of play would be quite weak. >>> I don't see the real need of concentrating on making programs to play 2-300 >>>elo points higher on lightning speed than at longer controls, much more so than >>>the way humans do it. >>> I don't even see what the great fun is in testing it. It's a little bit >>>interesting, but not all that much. I don't think it can be used to demonstrate >>>the quality of the program. Maybe the contrary is true, as the longer timings >>>are the interesting thing. >>>S.Taylor >> >>There can be big differences depending upon search depth. >> >>If a program gets 11-13 ply at slow level time controls and >>if the same program gets like 6 ply at 1 0 games, >> >>then that's going to give a completely different picture as >>a program that gets 9 ply at bullet and 14-15 ply in slow level. >> >>Yes the difference in playing strength (let's not discuss ICC >>rating here as the rating is different calculated as the FIDE rating >>calculations are done which explains the weird ratings at icc) is >>way more as 300 points then. >> >>My proof is easy. Play a program at 1 0 without permanent brain >>against other progs at 40 in 2 level. >> >>You'll see a 100% score then. >> >>100% score is abvoe 750 rating poitns difference. >>So it's not 200-300 rating poitns diff, it's way more as that! > >Here you are again Vincent, >Complaining about post concerning the Tiger's. You seem to be blinded by insane >jealousy. Don't you understand this is a Computer Chess forum. Some people >like Bullet Chess. Some people like to test their programs at that speed. It's >popularity is unquestioned on ICC/FICS. Just because Diep is not very good at >Bullet Chess you want to take pot shots at peoples post concerning it. This is >especially true if Tiger is involved. Why don't you crawl back into your hole >and let people here enjoy and discuss whatever they like without you trying to >tell them what is relevant and what is not. >Jim He is defending bullet chess at the momment, which I was not. But still, he missundertood me. When I say 2-300 elo difference, I'm refering to the elo of the speed being played at at that time, not a mixture, i.e. as if the tournament game had been played at bullet timing!!!!! How crazy that would be! S.Taylor
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