Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 10:03:35 04/05/01
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On April 05, 2001 at 02:06:24, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 05, 2001 at 00:11:31, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On April 04, 2001 at 21:42:01, Eelco de Groot wrote: >> >>>On April 04, 2001 at 19:51:30, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On April 04, 2001 at 18:18:40, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>> >>>>>The Winner for the Free Rebel Tiger product was Mario Saenz he and his Fritz 6 >>>>>program and of course luck according to him selected five out of five Starting >>>>>from last Wenesday. The two closest rivals with 4 points each out of 5 possible >>>>>were Christian Robakowski and Jim Walker. Now remember that monday I started to >>>>>record everybody moves for the DGT Board until the end of the match, in order to >>>>>select the person with the highest percentage of the most selected moves for the >>>>>entire game. Plus tomorrow I will start to record everybody moves for the next >>>>>weekly Rebel Prize. >>>>> >>>> >>>>PS: The next move is 14.Ne2 which will be updated as soon as Mr Schroeder has a >>>>chance. >>>> >>>>http://www.rebel.nl/gt2-web.htm >>>> >>>>>Pichard. >>> >>> >>>I like the idea of putting up the evaluations of Gambit Tiger 2.0 and Rebel >>>Century 3.0, Jorge! Also the results at about 3 min/move etc. would be nice to >>>compare but just the PVs at greater depths is also nice. I suppose the Fritzes >>>and ChessMasters are responsible for 13. ..Be7? Q5T not so enthusiastic. What >>>do other programs think? Q5T's logged results so far, I used Alt/Tab again to >>>get here, I hope the Q5T in Century 3 is still running.. >>> >>> >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ - >>>8 | *R| | | | *K| | | *R| >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ 00:00:00 00:00:00 >>>7 | *p| *p| | *B| *B| *p| *p| *p| >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >>>6 | | | *N| | *p| *N| | | Time infinite >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Hash 28 Mb >>>5 | | B | | *p| | | | | Engine Rebel Century 3.0 >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Personality Q5T3W5.ENG >>>4 | | | | p | | B | p | | anti-GM Off >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Tactics Off >>>3 | p | N | | | p | p | | | Bluff Chess Off >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Style Normal >>>2 | | p | | | N | | | p | Strength Strongest >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Search Deeper Search >>>1 | R | | | | K | | | R | >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ 13.. a2-a3 Bf8-e7 >>> a b c d e f g h 14.. Ng1-e2 >>> >>>[D]r3k2r/pp1bbppp/2n1pn2/1B1p4/3P1BP1/PN2PP2/1P2N2P/R3K2R b KQkq - >>> >>>[Event "?"] >>>[Site "?"] >>>[Date "??.??.????"] >>>[Round "?"] >>>[White ""] >>>[Black ""] >>>[Result "*"] >>>[WhiteElo "?"] >>>[BlackElo "?"] >>>[ECO "A45"] >>> >>>1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Qa5 5.c3 Nf6 6.Nd2 cxd4 7.Nb3 Qb6 >>>8.Qxd4 Qxd4 9.cxd4 d5 10.e3 e6 11.g4 Nc6 12.Bb5 Bd7 13.a3 Be7 14.Ne2 >>>* >>> >>>00:00:00 1.00 -0.10 14..O-O >>>00:00:00 1.01 -0.09 14..O-O-O >>>00:00:00 1.11 -0.05 14..Rc8 >>>00:00:00 2.00 -0.24 14..Rc8 15.Rc1 >>>00:00:00 2.09 -0.06 14..a6 15.Bd3 >>>00:00:00 3.00 -0.12 14..a6 15.Bxc6 Bxc6 16.Rc1 >>>00:00:00 4.00 -0.12 14..a6 15.Bd3 h5 16.g5 >>>00:00:00 4.04 -0.05 14..Nd8 15.Bxd7+ Kxd7 16.Rc1 Rc8 >>> 17.Nc5 (0) >>> >>>00:00:00 5.00 -0.05 14..Nd8 15.Bxd7+ Kxd7 16.Rc1 Rc8 >>> 17.Nc5 Ke8 (0) >>> >>>00:00:00 5.01 -0.04 14..a6 15.Bd3 Rc8 16.Rc1 O-O >>>00:00:00 6.00 -0.18 14..a6 15.Bd3 Rc8 16.Rc1 h5 17.g5 >>>00:00:00 6.01 0.02 14..Nd8 15.Bxd7+ Kxd7 16.Rc1 Rc8 >>> 17.Kf2 Nc6 (0) >>> >>>00:00:01 7.00 0.00 14..Nd8 15.Bxd7+ Kxd7 16.Rc1 Rc8 >>> 17.Rxc8 Kxc8 18.g5 Nd7 (1) >>> >>>00:00:02 8.00 -0.03 14..Nd8 15.Bxd7+ Kxd7 16.Rc1 Rc8 >>> 17.Kf2 Nc6 18.g5 Nh5 (2) >>> >>>00:00:08 9.00 -0.02 14..Nd8 15.Bxd7+ Nxd7 16.Rc1 Nb6 >>> 17.Kf2 Nc4 18.e4 Nxb2 19.Nc5 Bxc5 (5) >>> >>>00:00:29 10.00 -0.10 14..Nd8 15.Nc3 Rc8 16.Bd3 a6 17.Kf2 >>> h6 18.Rac1 b5 19.Be5 (15) >>> >>>00:01:29 11.00 -0.13 14..Nd8 15.Bd3 Ba4 16.Nd2 Rc8 17.Nc3 >>> Bd7 18.Nb3 b6 19.Nb5 Bxb5 20.Bxb5 >>> Kf8 21.Rc1 Rc6 (65) >>> >>>00:04:36 12.00 -0.14 14..Nd8 15.Bd3 Rc8 16.Nc3 Rc6 17.Be5 >>> Rb6 (174) >>> >>>00:12:56 13.00 -0.23 14..Nd8 15.Bd3 Rc8 16.Kf2 Ba4 17.Nd2 >>> h5 18.g5 (523) >>> >>>00:17:54 13.01 -0.22 14..a6 15.Bd3 O-O 16.Rc1 b6 17.h4 >>> Rfc8 18.h5 h6 (776) >>> >>>00:38:16 13.03 -0.19 14..O-O 15.Kd2 Rfc8 16.Rac1 a5 17.Nc3 >>> a4 18.Nxa4 Na5 (1184) >>> >>> >>>(On Celeron 500 MHz) >>> >>> Eelco >> >>Actually, Fritz's book is weak in this line. >>I chose 13...Be7! As I believe it was the best move:) >> >>Now guess my next move;) >> >>Terry > >I think that the question was if analysis of chess programs and not book of >chess programs is responsible for 13...Be7 (I agree, and am certain it was machine and human analysis.) > >I think that it is obvious that at long time control it is dangerous to use >books at this stage of the game and it is better to give top programs a lot of >hours to analyze. > >I believe that the book of chess programs should be dynamic and when the time >control is longer they should use smaller book because their probability to find >better moves than book moves is bigger. > >I do not understand the decision of programmers to use the same book for all >time controls. >A good book should not include only moves but also a number that tells the >computer at what time control to use the move. > >Uri Good Post Uri! I concur with your opinion in regards to corr. games and book options. Something for the programmers to consider. Regards, Terry
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