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Subject: Re: The next move is 14.Ne2

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 10:03:35 04/05/01

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On April 05, 2001 at 02:06:24, Uri Blass wrote:

>On April 05, 2001 at 00:11:31, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On April 04, 2001 at 21:42:01, Eelco de Groot wrote:
>>
>>>On April 04, 2001 at 19:51:30, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 04, 2001 at 18:18:40, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The Winner for the Free Rebel Tiger product was Mario Saenz he and his Fritz 6
>>>>>program and of course luck according to him selected five out of five Starting
>>>>>from last Wenesday. The two closest rivals with 4 points each out of 5 possible
>>>>>were Christian Robakowski and Jim Walker. Now remember that monday I started to
>>>>>record everybody moves for the DGT Board until the end of the match, in order to
>>>>>select the person with the highest percentage of the most selected moves for the
>>>>>entire game. Plus tomorrow I will start to record everybody moves for the next
>>>>>weekly Rebel Prize.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>PS: The next move is 14.Ne2 which will be updated as soon as Mr Schroeder has a
>>>>chance.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.rebel.nl/gt2-web.htm
>>>>
>>>>>Pichard.
>>>
>>>
>>>I like the idea of putting up the evaluations of Gambit Tiger 2.0 and Rebel
>>>Century 3.0, Jorge! Also the results at about 3 min/move etc. would be nice to
>>>compare but just the PVs at greater depths is also nice. I suppose the Fritzes
>>>and ChessMasters are responsible for 13. ..Be7?  Q5T not so enthusiastic. What
>>>do other programs think? Q5T's logged results so far, I used Alt/Tab again to
>>>get here, I hope the Q5T in Century 3 is still running..
>>>
>>>
>>>  +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+   -
>>>8 | *R|   |   |   | *K|   |   | *R|
>>>  +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+  00:00:00      00:00:00
>>>7 | *p| *p|   | *B| *B| *p| *p| *p|
>>>  +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>6 |   |   | *N|   | *p| *N|   |   |  Time          infinite
>>>  +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+  Hash          28 Mb
>>>5 |   | B |   | *p|   |   |   |   |  Engine        Rebel Century 3.0
>>>  +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+  Personality   Q5T3W5.ENG
>>>4 |   |   |   | p |   | B | p |   |  anti-GM       Off
>>>  +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+  Tactics       Off
>>>3 | p | N |   |   | p | p |   |   |  Bluff Chess   Off
>>>  +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+  Style         Normal
>>>2 |   | p |   |   | N |   |   | p |  Strength      Strongest
>>>  +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+  Search        Deeper Search
>>>1 | R |   |   |   | K |   |   | R |
>>>  +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+  13..  a2-a3   Bf8-e7
>>>    a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h    14.. Ng1-e2
>>>
>>>[D]r3k2r/pp1bbppp/2n1pn2/1B1p4/3P1BP1/PN2PP2/1P2N2P/R3K2R b KQkq -
>>>
>>>[Event "?"]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "??.??.????"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White ""]
>>>[Black ""]
>>>[Result "*"]
>>>[WhiteElo "?"]
>>>[BlackElo "?"]
>>>[ECO "A45"]
>>>
>>>1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Qa5 5.c3 Nf6 6.Nd2 cxd4 7.Nb3 Qb6
>>>8.Qxd4 Qxd4 9.cxd4 d5 10.e3 e6 11.g4 Nc6 12.Bb5 Bd7 13.a3 Be7 14.Ne2
>>>*
>>>
>>>00:00:00  1.00  -0.10   14..O-O
>>>00:00:00  1.01  -0.09   14..O-O-O
>>>00:00:00  1.11  -0.05   14..Rc8
>>>00:00:00  2.00  -0.24   14..Rc8 15.Rc1
>>>00:00:00  2.09  -0.06   14..a6 15.Bd3
>>>00:00:00  3.00  -0.12   14..a6 15.Bxc6 Bxc6 16.Rc1
>>>00:00:00  4.00  -0.12   14..a6 15.Bd3 h5 16.g5
>>>00:00:00  4.04  -0.05   14..Nd8 15.Bxd7+ Kxd7 16.Rc1 Rc8
>>>                       17.Nc5  (0)
>>>
>>>00:00:00  5.00  -0.05   14..Nd8 15.Bxd7+ Kxd7 16.Rc1 Rc8
>>>                       17.Nc5 Ke8  (0)
>>>
>>>00:00:00  5.01  -0.04   14..a6 15.Bd3 Rc8 16.Rc1 O-O
>>>00:00:00  6.00  -0.18   14..a6 15.Bd3 Rc8 16.Rc1 h5 17.g5
>>>00:00:00  6.01  0.02   14..Nd8 15.Bxd7+ Kxd7 16.Rc1 Rc8
>>>                       17.Kf2 Nc6  (0)
>>>
>>>00:00:01  7.00  0.00   14..Nd8 15.Bxd7+ Kxd7 16.Rc1 Rc8
>>>                       17.Rxc8 Kxc8 18.g5 Nd7  (1)
>>>
>>>00:00:02  8.00  -0.03   14..Nd8 15.Bxd7+ Kxd7 16.Rc1 Rc8
>>>                       17.Kf2 Nc6 18.g5 Nh5  (2)
>>>
>>>00:00:08  9.00  -0.02   14..Nd8 15.Bxd7+ Nxd7 16.Rc1 Nb6
>>>                       17.Kf2 Nc4 18.e4 Nxb2 19.Nc5 Bxc5  (5)
>>>
>>>00:00:29 10.00  -0.10   14..Nd8 15.Nc3 Rc8 16.Bd3 a6 17.Kf2
>>>                       h6 18.Rac1 b5 19.Be5  (15)
>>>
>>>00:01:29 11.00  -0.13   14..Nd8 15.Bd3 Ba4 16.Nd2 Rc8 17.Nc3
>>>                       Bd7 18.Nb3 b6 19.Nb5 Bxb5 20.Bxb5
>>>                       Kf8 21.Rc1 Rc6  (65)
>>>
>>>00:04:36 12.00  -0.14   14..Nd8 15.Bd3 Rc8 16.Nc3 Rc6 17.Be5
>>>                       Rb6  (174)
>>>
>>>00:12:56 13.00  -0.23   14..Nd8 15.Bd3 Rc8 16.Kf2 Ba4 17.Nd2
>>>                       h5 18.g5  (523)
>>>
>>>00:17:54 13.01  -0.22   14..a6 15.Bd3 O-O 16.Rc1 b6 17.h4
>>>                       Rfc8 18.h5 h6  (776)
>>>
>>>00:38:16 13.03  -0.19   14..O-O 15.Kd2 Rfc8 16.Rac1 a5 17.Nc3
>>>                       a4 18.Nxa4 Na5  (1184)
>>>
>>>
>>>(On Celeron 500 MHz)
>>>
>>> Eelco
>>
>>Actually, Fritz's book is weak in this line.
>>I chose 13...Be7! As I believe it was the best move:)
>>
>>Now guess my next move;)
>>
>>Terry
>
>I think that the question was if analysis of chess programs and not book of
>chess programs is responsible for 13...Be7 (I agree, and am certain it was
machine and human analysis.)
>
>I think that it is obvious that at long time control it is dangerous to use
>books at this stage of the game and it is better to give top programs a lot of
>hours to analyze.
>
>I believe that the book of chess programs should be dynamic and when the time
>control is longer they should use smaller book because their probability to find
>better moves than book moves is bigger.
>
>I do not understand the decision of programmers to use the same book for all
>time controls.
>A good book should not include only moves but also a number that tells the
>computer at what time control to use the move.
>
>Uri

Good Post Uri!

I concur with your opinion in regards to corr. games and book options.
Something for the programmers to consider.

Regards,
  Terry



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