Author: Bertil Eklund
Date: 16:52:33 04/07/01
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On April 07, 2001 at 13:49:52, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 06, 2001 at 04:22:45, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On April 05, 2001 at 22:48:04, Mike Castañuela wrote: >> >>> >>>Taken from ElPais Digital (spain): >>> >>>(Brief resume: Enrique Irazoqui is planning to organize the tournament to decide >>>the best program (between 3, the Deeps Fritz, Junior and Shredder) which will >>>contend vs. Kramnik in Bahrein, at date not yet determined. >>>(Ah, and DeepBlue, but the difficulty of which this is made is obvious)). >>> >>>I hope that this match is to be carried (seems very obvious) >>>with the presence of the programmers, which is essential to make the tourn >>>valid (ethically speaking). >>> >>>Also, a question more: why not more programms at the contest >>>(e.g. Gambit-Tiger comes to my mind as a very plasible option, mainly by its >>>style). >> >> >>What reference does Tiger have in comparison with Deep Fritz and Shredder? >>Shredder is the current world champion, Deep Fritz leads the SSDF. Unless >>Tiger14 or GambitTiger2 will top the SSDF, the decision will certainly be made >>between the 2 mentioned programs. >>Don't get me wrong, I'd also like to see one of the Tigers play, but for >>officials there will be no justification. > > > >You have a point. For people who are absolutely ignorant about what's going on >in computer chess, I guess that BattleChess or ChessMaster 2000 would be the >programs of choice. They are definitely more famous for the general audience. > >Come on. > >You say that Tiger has less references that Shredder for example? Then when was >the last time Shredder has topped the SSDF list? Answer is NEVER. For Tiger it >was just one year ago, and who knows what is going to happen with Tiger 14. >Before October comes, we will know anyway. > >The choice of Fritz, Junior and Shredder is 100% arbitrary. You know very well that you had been invited if your program had been able to play with 8 cpus. You wrote here in this forum that you shouldn't make Tiger SMP at least in the near future. I believe a lot of people agree that the best programs today is the above and Tiger. It is indeed possible that Tiger could qualify on a Athlon 1333 vs the Deeps 2x933 in say 20 game matches. But I don't believe any sponsors with a 8 cpu-machine should like this, they want a good result and PR for the machine and so on. Tiger is strong and maybee the strongest of all programs but I don't believe it is better then Deep-x plaing on a 8 cpu-machine. You know that a lot of people including me should be happy if Gambit qualified but only if it was capable of playing with 8 cpus. > >Anyway the most important factor in this match is not going to be the speed of >the computer. Chosing these programs because they can run on multiprocessor PCs >is a joke. The strength difference of one, two or 4 processors when you face a >human player does not matter much. Ask Bob. This is nonsense and you know it one of few times you agree with Bob. In his extrapolation Deep Blue didn't won because of speed but for its strength. > >The thing that will really matter in this match is PLAYING STYLE. You can choose >at random between Fritz, Shredder and Junior, it does not matter, they play the >same kind of chess. They do, very categorical, I thought I answered to you and not Thorsten. > >If you want to put a strong player under pressure, I think I have a point if I >say that Gambit Tiger has more chances to do it than the 3 others. It is a point but do you rally think Gambit 1333 is better then Deep-x 8x700?! > >I hope the organizers will think twice about this. What can they do, when you say your staying with a one-cpu program? Bertil > > > > Christophe
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