Author: Wayne Lowrance
Date: 20:56:08 04/07/01
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On April 07, 2001 at 19:52:33, Bertil Eklund wrote: >On April 07, 2001 at 13:49:52, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On April 06, 2001 at 04:22:45, Harald Faber wrote: >> >>>On April 05, 2001 at 22:48:04, Mike Castañuela wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>Taken from ElPais Digital (spain): >>>> >>>>(Brief resume: Enrique Irazoqui is planning to organize the tournament to decide >>>>the best program (between 3, the Deeps Fritz, Junior and Shredder) which will >>>>contend vs. Kramnik in Bahrein, at date not yet determined. >>>>(Ah, and DeepBlue, but the difficulty of which this is made is obvious)). >>>> >>>>I hope that this match is to be carried (seems very obvious) >>>>with the presence of the programmers, which is essential to make the tourn >>>>valid (ethically speaking). >>>> >>>>Also, a question more: why not more programms at the contest >>>>(e.g. Gambit-Tiger comes to my mind as a very plasible option, mainly by its >>>>style). >>> >>> >>>What reference does Tiger have in comparison with Deep Fritz and Shredder? >>>Shredder is the current world champion, Deep Fritz leads the SSDF. Unless >>>Tiger14 or GambitTiger2 will top the SSDF, the decision will certainly be made >>>between the 2 mentioned programs. >>>Don't get me wrong, I'd also like to see one of the Tigers play, but for >>>officials there will be no justification. >> >> >> >>You have a point. For people who are absolutely ignorant about what's going on >>in computer chess, I guess that BattleChess or ChessMaster 2000 would be the >>programs of choice. They are definitely more famous for the general audience. >> >>Come on. >> >>You say that Tiger has less references that Shredder for example? Then when was >>the last time Shredder has topped the SSDF list? Answer is NEVER. For Tiger it >>was just one year ago, and who knows what is going to happen with Tiger 14. >>Before October comes, we will know anyway. >> >>The choice of Fritz, Junior and Shredder is 100% arbitrary. > >You know very well that you had been invited if your program had been able to >play with 8 cpus. You wrote here in this forum that you shouldn't make Tiger SMP >at least in the near future. >I believe a lot of people agree that the best programs today is the above and >Tiger. It is indeed possible that Tiger could qualify on a Athlon 1333 vs the >Deeps 2x933 in say 20 game matches. >But I don't believe any sponsors with a 8 cpu-machine should like this, they >want a good result and PR for the machine and so on. Tiger is strong and maybee >the strongest of all programs but I don't believe it is better then Deep-x >plaing on a 8 cpu-machine. You know that a lot of people including me should be >happy if Gambit qualified but only if it was capable of playing with 8 cpus. > > >> >>Anyway the most important factor in this match is not going to be the speed of >>the computer. Chosing these programs because they can run on multiprocessor PCs >>is a joke. The strength difference of one, two or 4 processors when you face a >>human player does not matter much. Ask Bob. > >This is nonsense and you know it one of few times you agree with Bob. >In his extrapolation Deep Blue didn't won because of speed but for its strength. > >> >>The thing that will really matter in this match is PLAYING STYLE. You can choose >>at random between Fritz, Shredder and Junior, it does not matter, they play the >>same kind of chess. > >They do, very categorical, I thought I answered to you and not Thorsten. >> >>If you want to put a strong player under pressure, I think I have a point if I >>say that Gambit Tiger has more chances to do it than the 3 others. > >It is a point but do you rally think Gambit 1333 is better then Deep-x 8x700?! >> >>I hope the organizers will think twice about this. > >What can they do, when you say your staying with a one-cpu program? > >Bertil >> >> >> >> Christophe Bertil what evidence do you have to say TG's are inferior to deep x's ? Wayne
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