Author: Tanya Deborah
Date: 22:19:02 04/07/01
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On April 08, 2001 at 00:28:45, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 07, 2001 at 23:56:08, Wayne Lowrance wrote: > >>On April 07, 2001 at 19:52:33, Bertil Eklund wrote: >> >>>On April 07, 2001 at 13:49:52, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>On April 06, 2001 at 04:22:45, Harald Faber wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 05, 2001 at 22:48:04, Mike Castañuela wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Taken from ElPais Digital (spain): >>>>>> >>>>>>(Brief resume: Enrique Irazoqui is planning to organize the tournament to decide >>>>>>the best program (between 3, the Deeps Fritz, Junior and Shredder) which will >>>>>>contend vs. Kramnik in Bahrein, at date not yet determined. >>>>>>(Ah, and DeepBlue, but the difficulty of which this is made is obvious)). >>>>>> >>>>>>I hope that this match is to be carried (seems very obvious) >>>>>>with the presence of the programmers, which is essential to make the tourn >>>>>>valid (ethically speaking). >>>>>> >>>>>>Also, a question more: why not more programms at the contest >>>>>>(e.g. Gambit-Tiger comes to my mind as a very plasible option, mainly by its >>>>>>style). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>What reference does Tiger have in comparison with Deep Fritz and Shredder? >>>>>Shredder is the current world champion, Deep Fritz leads the SSDF. Unless >>>>>Tiger14 or GambitTiger2 will top the SSDF, the decision will certainly be made >>>>>between the 2 mentioned programs. >>>>>Don't get me wrong, I'd also like to see one of the Tigers play, but for >>>>>officials there will be no justification. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>You have a point. For people who are absolutely ignorant about what's going on >>>>in computer chess, I guess that BattleChess or ChessMaster 2000 would be the >>>>programs of choice. They are definitely more famous for the general audience. >>>> >>>>Come on. >>>> >>>>You say that Tiger has less references that Shredder for example? Then when was >>>>the last time Shredder has topped the SSDF list? Answer is NEVER. For Tiger it >>>>was just one year ago, and who knows what is going to happen with Tiger 14. >>>>Before October comes, we will know anyway. >>>> >>>>The choice of Fritz, Junior and Shredder is 100% arbitrary. >>> >>>You know very well that you had been invited if your program had been able to >>>play with 8 cpus. You wrote here in this forum that you shouldn't make Tiger SMP >>>at least in the near future. >>>I believe a lot of people agree that the best programs today is the above and >>>Tiger. It is indeed possible that Tiger could qualify on a Athlon 1333 vs the >>>Deeps 2x933 in say 20 game matches. >>>But I don't believe any sponsors with a 8 cpu-machine should like this, they >>>want a good result and PR for the machine and so on. Tiger is strong and maybee >>>the strongest of all programs but I don't believe it is better then Deep-x >>>plaing on a 8 cpu-machine. You know that a lot of people including me should be >>>happy if Gambit qualified but only if it was capable of playing with 8 cpus. >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Anyway the most important factor in this match is not going to be the speed of >>>>the computer. Chosing these programs because they can run on multiprocessor PCs >>>>is a joke. The strength difference of one, two or 4 processors when you face a >>>>human player does not matter much. Ask Bob. >>> >>>This is nonsense and you know it one of few times you agree with Bob. >>>In his extrapolation Deep Blue didn't won because of speed but for its strength. >>> >>>> >>>>The thing that will really matter in this match is PLAYING STYLE. You can choose >>>>at random between Fritz, Shredder and Junior, it does not matter, they play the >>>>same kind of chess. >>> >>>They do, very categorical, I thought I answered to you and not Thorsten. >>>> >>>>If you want to put a strong player under pressure, I think I have a point if I >>>>say that Gambit Tiger has more chances to do it than the 3 others. >>> >>>It is a point but do you rally think Gambit 1333 is better then Deep-x 8x700?! >>>> >>>>I hope the organizers will think twice about this. >>> >>>What can they do, when you say your staying with a one-cpu program? >>> >>>Bertil >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Christophe >> >>Bertil what evidence do you have to say TG's are inferior to deep x's ? >>Wayne > >Here is my guess for the evidence. > >Gambit1 is probably not better than Deep Fritz on one processor based on Enrique >results. >Gambit2 is not more than 70 elo better than Gambit1 based on the claims on Rebel >sites(I assume at most 50 elo from improving the engine and at most 20 elo from >tablebases). > >It means that Gambit on the same hardware is at most 70 elo better than Deep >Fritz. ....70 points more???? This is too much!! Who has made a match between Gambit T2 and Deep Fritz to prove that??? Tanya,D > >I guess that 8*700 is at least 4000 in computer chess and it is more than 3 >times faster than Gambit on P1333 > >being 3 times faster is supposed to give more than 70 elo so it means that Deep >fritz in 8 processors is better than Gambit on one processor. > >Uri
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