Author: Uri Blass
Date: 23:32:12 04/07/01
Go up one level in this thread
On April 08, 2001 at 01:19:02, Tanya Deborah wrote: >On April 08, 2001 at 00:28:45, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On April 07, 2001 at 23:56:08, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >> >>>On April 07, 2001 at 19:52:33, Bertil Eklund wrote: >>> >>>>On April 07, 2001 at 13:49:52, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 06, 2001 at 04:22:45, Harald Faber wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 05, 2001 at 22:48:04, Mike Castañuela wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Taken from ElPais Digital (spain): >>>>>>> >>>>>>>(Brief resume: Enrique Irazoqui is planning to organize the tournament to decide >>>>>>>the best program (between 3, the Deeps Fritz, Junior and Shredder) which will >>>>>>>contend vs. Kramnik in Bahrein, at date not yet determined. >>>>>>>(Ah, and DeepBlue, but the difficulty of which this is made is obvious)). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I hope that this match is to be carried (seems very obvious) >>>>>>>with the presence of the programmers, which is essential to make the tourn >>>>>>>valid (ethically speaking). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Also, a question more: why not more programms at the contest >>>>>>>(e.g. Gambit-Tiger comes to my mind as a very plasible option, mainly by its >>>>>>>style). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>What reference does Tiger have in comparison with Deep Fritz and Shredder? >>>>>>Shredder is the current world champion, Deep Fritz leads the SSDF. Unless >>>>>>Tiger14 or GambitTiger2 will top the SSDF, the decision will certainly be made >>>>>>between the 2 mentioned programs. >>>>>>Don't get me wrong, I'd also like to see one of the Tigers play, but for >>>>>>officials there will be no justification. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You have a point. For people who are absolutely ignorant about what's going on >>>>>in computer chess, I guess that BattleChess or ChessMaster 2000 would be the >>>>>programs of choice. They are definitely more famous for the general audience. >>>>> >>>>>Come on. >>>>> >>>>>You say that Tiger has less references that Shredder for example? Then when was >>>>>the last time Shredder has topped the SSDF list? Answer is NEVER. For Tiger it >>>>>was just one year ago, and who knows what is going to happen with Tiger 14. >>>>>Before October comes, we will know anyway. >>>>> >>>>>The choice of Fritz, Junior and Shredder is 100% arbitrary. >>>> >>>>You know very well that you had been invited if your program had been able to >>>>play with 8 cpus. You wrote here in this forum that you shouldn't make Tiger SMP >>>>at least in the near future. >>>>I believe a lot of people agree that the best programs today is the above and >>>>Tiger. It is indeed possible that Tiger could qualify on a Athlon 1333 vs the >>>>Deeps 2x933 in say 20 game matches. >>>>But I don't believe any sponsors with a 8 cpu-machine should like this, they >>>>want a good result and PR for the machine and so on. Tiger is strong and maybee >>>>the strongest of all programs but I don't believe it is better then Deep-x >>>>plaing on a 8 cpu-machine. You know that a lot of people including me should be >>>>happy if Gambit qualified but only if it was capable of playing with 8 cpus. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Anyway the most important factor in this match is not going to be the speed of >>>>>the computer. Chosing these programs because they can run on multiprocessor PCs >>>>>is a joke. The strength difference of one, two or 4 processors when you face a >>>>>human player does not matter much. Ask Bob. >>>> >>>>This is nonsense and you know it one of few times you agree with Bob. >>>>In his extrapolation Deep Blue didn't won because of speed but for its strength. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>The thing that will really matter in this match is PLAYING STYLE. You can choose >>>>>at random between Fritz, Shredder and Junior, it does not matter, they play the >>>>>same kind of chess. >>>> >>>>They do, very categorical, I thought I answered to you and not Thorsten. >>>>> >>>>>If you want to put a strong player under pressure, I think I have a point if I >>>>>say that Gambit Tiger has more chances to do it than the 3 others. >>>> >>>>It is a point but do you rally think Gambit 1333 is better then Deep-x 8x700?! >>>>> >>>>>I hope the organizers will think twice about this. >>>> >>>>What can they do, when you say your staying with a one-cpu program? >>>> >>>>Bertil >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christophe >>> >>>Bertil what evidence do you have to say TG's are inferior to deep x's ? >>>Wayne >> >>Here is my guess for the evidence. >> >>Gambit1 is probably not better than Deep Fritz on one processor based on Enrique >>results. >>Gambit2 is not more than 70 elo better than Gambit1 based on the claims on Rebel >>sites(I assume at most 50 elo from improving the engine and at most 20 elo from >>tablebases). >> >>It means that Gambit on the same hardware is at most 70 elo better than Deep >>Fritz. > > > >....70 points more???? This is too much!! >Who has made a match between Gambit T2 and Deep Fritz to prove that??? > >Tanya,D I said at most 70 points more. it means that it can be less than 70 elo difference. Uri
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.