Author: Chessfun
Date: 09:45:36 04/08/01
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On April 08, 2001 at 02:32:12, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 08, 2001 at 01:19:02, Tanya Deborah wrote: > >>On April 08, 2001 at 00:28:45, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On April 07, 2001 at 23:56:08, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >>> >>>>On April 07, 2001 at 19:52:33, Bertil Eklund wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 07, 2001 at 13:49:52, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 06, 2001 at 04:22:45, Harald Faber wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 05, 2001 at 22:48:04, Mike Castañuela wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Taken from ElPais Digital (spain): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>(Brief resume: Enrique Irazoqui is planning to organize the tournament to decide >>>>>>>>the best program (between 3, the Deeps Fritz, Junior and Shredder) which will >>>>>>>>contend vs. Kramnik in Bahrein, at date not yet determined. >>>>>>>>(Ah, and DeepBlue, but the difficulty of which this is made is obvious)). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I hope that this match is to be carried (seems very obvious) >>>>>>>>with the presence of the programmers, which is essential to make the tourn >>>>>>>>valid (ethically speaking). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Also, a question more: why not more programms at the contest >>>>>>>>(e.g. Gambit-Tiger comes to my mind as a very plasible option, mainly by its >>>>>>>>style). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What reference does Tiger have in comparison with Deep Fritz and Shredder? >>>>>>>Shredder is the current world champion, Deep Fritz leads the SSDF. Unless >>>>>>>Tiger14 or GambitTiger2 will top the SSDF, the decision will certainly be made >>>>>>>between the 2 mentioned programs. >>>>>>>Don't get me wrong, I'd also like to see one of the Tigers play, but for >>>>>>>officials there will be no justification. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>You have a point. For people who are absolutely ignorant about what's going on >>>>>>in computer chess, I guess that BattleChess or ChessMaster 2000 would be the >>>>>>programs of choice. They are definitely more famous for the general audience. >>>>>> >>>>>>Come on. >>>>>> >>>>>>You say that Tiger has less references that Shredder for example? Then when was >>>>>>the last time Shredder has topped the SSDF list? Answer is NEVER. For Tiger it >>>>>>was just one year ago, and who knows what is going to happen with Tiger 14. >>>>>>Before October comes, we will know anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>>The choice of Fritz, Junior and Shredder is 100% arbitrary. >>>>> >>>>>You know very well that you had been invited if your program had been able to >>>>>play with 8 cpus. You wrote here in this forum that you shouldn't make Tiger SMP >>>>>at least in the near future. >>>>>I believe a lot of people agree that the best programs today is the above and >>>>>Tiger. It is indeed possible that Tiger could qualify on a Athlon 1333 vs the >>>>>Deeps 2x933 in say 20 game matches. >>>>>But I don't believe any sponsors with a 8 cpu-machine should like this, they >>>>>want a good result and PR for the machine and so on. Tiger is strong and maybee >>>>>the strongest of all programs but I don't believe it is better then Deep-x >>>>>plaing on a 8 cpu-machine. You know that a lot of people including me should be >>>>>happy if Gambit qualified but only if it was capable of playing with 8 cpus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Anyway the most important factor in this match is not going to be the speed of >>>>>>the computer. Chosing these programs because they can run on multiprocessor PCs >>>>>>is a joke. The strength difference of one, two or 4 processors when you face a >>>>>>human player does not matter much. Ask Bob. >>>>> >>>>>This is nonsense and you know it one of few times you agree with Bob. >>>>>In his extrapolation Deep Blue didn't won because of speed but for its strength. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The thing that will really matter in this match is PLAYING STYLE. You can choose >>>>>>at random between Fritz, Shredder and Junior, it does not matter, they play the >>>>>>same kind of chess. >>>>> >>>>>They do, very categorical, I thought I answered to you and not Thorsten. >>>>>> >>>>>>If you want to put a strong player under pressure, I think I have a point if I >>>>>>say that Gambit Tiger has more chances to do it than the 3 others. >>>>> >>>>>It is a point but do you rally think Gambit 1333 is better then Deep-x 8x700?! >>>>>> >>>>>>I hope the organizers will think twice about this. >>>>> >>>>>What can they do, when you say your staying with a one-cpu program? >>>>> >>>>>Bertil >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Christophe >>>> >>>>Bertil what evidence do you have to say TG's are inferior to deep x's ? >>>>Wayne >>> >>>Here is my guess for the evidence. >>> >>>Gambit1 is probably not better than Deep Fritz on one processor based on Enrique >>>results. >>>Gambit2 is not more than 70 elo better than Gambit1 based on the claims on Rebel >>>sites(I assume at most 50 elo from improving the engine and at most 20 elo from >>>tablebases). >>> >>>It means that Gambit on the same hardware is at most 70 elo better than Deep >>>Fritz. >> >> >> >>....70 points more???? This is too much!! >>Who has made a match between Gambit T2 and Deep Fritz to prove that??? >> >>Tanya,D > >I said at most 70 points more. >it means that it can be less than 70 elo difference. > >Uri Just my opinion but on equal harddware I think the difference in the end will be no more than + - 20. I think Tiger 14.0 has a better chance of beating Deep Fritz in the SSDF rating list. Sarah.
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