Author: Uri Blass
Date: 22:20:15 04/09/01
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On April 09, 2001 at 19:26:47, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On April 09, 2001 at 13:59:52, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On April 09, 2001 at 12:21:10, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On April 08, 2001 at 17:07:14, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On April 08, 2001 at 16:38:28, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 07, 2001 at 13:49:52, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Hell i can even beat it in 15 0 easily as it has too >>>>>little positional knowledge. >>>> >>>>I do not believe that you can beat it in 15 0 easily. >>>>You may do it in one game but I guess that you are going to lose in a match. >>> >>>You do not believe it but so far i have still a 100% score against >>>programs. >> >>100% score against programs? > >at levels of > 90 minutes a game >i have a 100% score yes. > >Of course we don't talk about hundreds of games. Not even >about 50 games. Gotta be way less. Lost count though. > >But well most GMs have not played many games against programs >either. > >Some games i was real lucky, let's start with that and some >games were played years ago when hardware was slower and more >important when you could easily trick them by playing 1.e4 >and follow mainline of opening then they would play bad >move somewhere and you simply mated them or could easily >outplay them. > >With nowadays books that's harder, as the book is usually better >as my openings theory. > >The biggest victory i ever had against a program was when i >won my dutch national titel. I had a temporiraly 2300 FIDE rating >then which dropped to 2150 when i nearly stopped playing chess >for 1 year and i was 19 years old. I won the titel by luck most >still say and i can't >argue as i wasn't the favourite to win the title so with some >draws and lucky wins i won the titel. > >After that i played a slow game against the fastest computer in >those days. It was a dedicated computer. I forgot which computer, >probably Jan Louwman still knows it. Because he was amazed that >his computer was mated in just around 23 moves after 1.e4 > >I had white and it was classical french with dxe4 and nxe4 >then i castled long and computer castled of course short. > >A piece sac on h7 and dang a few moves later i could mate it... > >>Even in 1997 it was hard to get 100% against chess programs. >>I know that GM yona kossasvily was the only player who got 6 out of 6 in the >>humans against machines in 1997. > >Kosashvili did real well, seems each country spells different i guess, >yes kosashvili profited from rebel not having bishop mobility. > >Even DIEP at 1 ply would have played that game better. Evaluation :) > >So against a very aggressive fritz version i'm not amazed kosashvili had >a hard time. In 1997 most programs were very passive. Nowadays they >are very aggressive tuned. This is also for me a big problem in blitz >i lose EVERYTHING in blitz. > >But note that Jeroen Noomen in Aegon tournament each game got a winning >position against programs. He blundered however too many times a piece >away to get 6 out of 6. > >Would be interesting to the lowest scores of the programs each game >he blew. > >>It was in holland and Rebel missed a draw when better hardware could help it. > >It was a simple evaluation fault of rebel yes. Not a search depth problem. > >>I read that GM yona kossasvily prepared for this tournament by training with >>chess programs. > >But i bet he didn't see difference playing rebel, the king and fritz. > >Whereas there is a big difference between these 3 programs. > >>The same GM lost against Fritz6 in the israeli league. >>He played better in 1997 but I think he is still not worse than you. > >But i do better against todays programs i do better as he does. > >He's 2600+ FIDE >I'll get IM one day but will probably then drop quickly below 2400FIDE. >Now i'm 2280 something fide rated (too low fide rated as one needs >to play 70 fide rated games or so to get up to 2400 from 2150). > >So when organizing a match kosashvili - diepeveen that'll be like 6-0 >or so. > >When organizing a match > > diepeveen - fritz6 > kosashvili - fritz6 > >then i'll look probably better as kosashvili, >unless he trains a lot against fritz6. > >If he trains against fritz6 and suddenly plays shredder then >i'll score better though. > >>> >>>How much stronger does a human who externally plays around 2350 play >>>against a computer as a 2500 rated human who btw i beat usually >>>in blitz easily too as my tactics are better as average. >>> >>>My problem is simple to define in chess. My own problem is that >>>my openings sucks compared to 2500 rated persons. Their openings >>>preparement is hell better. >> >>I do not buy this excuse. > >Excuse? > >So you think my endgame sucks for example? >hehehehe, let's ask my teammembers about this :) > >Coming years we play again in masterclass, so i can >definitely compare my endgame technique with IMs and GMs then again :) I do not know. It can be your endgame and it can be the middlegame. It can be tactics on long time control(it is possible that you are better on tactics in blitz but GM's are better than you on tactics at long time control). I do not believe that it is only the opening. Bad opening knowledge can justify 2450 instead of 2500. It cannot justify getting 2280 instead of 2500. Uri
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