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Subject: Re: was the kasparov-kramnik match fixed?

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 20:59:24 04/10/01

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On April 09, 2001 at 16:33:48, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On April 09, 2001 at 14:13:56, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On April 09, 2001 at 13:43:56, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>>On April 09, 2001 at 11:55:43, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 08, 2001 at 14:23:35, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>hi: in todays 'news of the world'(british newspaper)on pg 12 i read that the
>>>>>police are investigating the braingames company and its chairman for being a
>>>>
>>>>Braingames chairman is Raymond Keene.
>>>>
>>>>>front for the russian mafia; specifically about allegations of having laundered
>>>>>£3 million in dirty money. (it does n't say anything about the match being fixed
>>>>>although it does mention that the company ''braingames''which was created to
>>>>>organise the world chess championship was a front for money laundering by the
>>>>>russian mafia.
>>>>>
>>>>>sounds a bit fishy to me
>>>>
>>>>Many tournaments in this world, also non-chess tournaments
>>>>are getting sponsored and received in past sponsorship from
>>>>what we in western world call 'dubious grounds'.
>>>>
>>>>Let's just remember olympic games 1936 Berlin (Hitler),
>>>>world championships soccer 1972 in Argentina (Fidela),
>>>>Olympic games 1980 Moscow (SSSR),
>>>>match fischer around 1992 against his old opponent
>>>>and even close in the computerchess world we had
>>>>also our computerchess world championship in Jakarta
>>>>where i didn't go to for that reason.
>>>>
>>>>However, whereever the money came from, i'm sure that Kasparov didn't
>>>>lose intentionally. Instead he tried obviously hard to push for victory
>>>>and failed because Kramnik is simply a way better player in all respects
>>>>except opening preparement.
>>>>
>>>>>rajen
>>>>
>>>>Vincent
>>>
>>>First I think that this thread has had a humorous side to it, as it was so
>>>preposterous!
>>>
>>>But this last piece has me almost "rolling in the aisles", I think we can't put
>>>_any_ credibility in such rumors. Like the Russian Mafia etc.
>>
>>I don't find it funny at all those accusations but i will be the
>>last to deny them. In western world we hugely overestimate how
>>criminal the east has become under 80 years of communism, because
>>doing any legal business was for 80 years forbidden as everything
>>legal was stolen directly by the government, hence everything had to
>>be done illegally.
>>
>>>Hey I'll be the first retract if wrong doing at this level is found to be true.
>>>However, it's highly unlikely.
>>
>>Well sometimes i find rules of banks very criminal too you know :)
>>
>>>I do agree that Kasparov did'nt throw the match, he simply lost.
>>>As for Kramnik being a much better player is completely unfounded.
>>>It's the other way around, well almost, as Kramnik is an excellent player.
>>>It was Kasparov who was completely out prepared in the opening and hence his
>>>inevitable loss.
>>>
>>>Kramnik is Great....Kasparov is Best!
>>
>>Kramnik is by far the best. Except for an obvious Rxb7 novelty in Gruenfeld
>>Kramnik has not showed very good openings.
>
>I said he was better prepared against Kasparov, not that he is in general always
>so well prepared.
>
>>Like the second Berliner game they played kasparov was bigtime won as in
>>so many games, yet kasparov blew it game after game. sometimes in middlegame,
>>sometimes in endgame.
>
>Yes Kasparov blew some chances, it happens to the best, and it did!
>>
>>It's easy to conclude that Kramnik is technical the far superior player,
>>let's first agree on that!
>
>That's Bull and you know it! Or should! Explain Kasparov's comeback this year?
>Or even last year when all GM's thought Kasparov was lost, Kramnik too in games
>4 and 6 he pulled near miracles and escaped!
>I'd like to see Kramnik do that!
>
>But to be fair Kasparov, Kramnik and Anand are to a class to themselves.
>>
>Then secondly it's clear that kasparov had large advantage in nearly
>>all games after opening, except that Gruenfeld game.
>
>That's simply not true.
>
>Kramnik is one who rarely loses, he's learned how not to lose more than
>how to win. It worked well for him last fall.
>
>>Kramnik showed however that if you're such a great player as Kramnik
>>is, that you can play very unsound lines against a worldchamp like
>>Kasparov.
>
>Are you delusional? Kramnik played very sound chess or his head would have
>been served up on a platter!
>
>>Hence the conclusion is obvious that though kasparov was surprised a lot,
>>he obviously got better out of his openingspreparement, but that he
>>was basically outplayed in the game and not in opening!
>>
>You are delusional, as Kasparov held the Berlin Defence in contempt and banged
>his head against it too many times.
>I looked at those games carefully, Kasparov was up like you said earlier then
>let his advantage slip away. First you say he was clearly ahead then he was
>outplayed, make up your silly mind!
>
>>On the other hand Kasparov is the far more aggressive prepared player
>>in openings. Some grandmasters like Shirov play very dubious lines sometimes
>>and even defend them by playing them. Then Kasparov strikes and gets a
>>free point again. This is why kasparov without doubt is the best
>>tournament player ever seen so far.
>>
> It stands to reason you would drag Shirov into this....need to fan the flames!
>>
>If you play very risky lines, then Kasparov has usually already won before
>>move 20. Then it takes a few moves to show it to the audience too and
>>you resign.
>>
>Of course if you play dubious moves Kasparov will kill like a lion!
>>Best regards,
>>Vincent
>>
>>
>>>Terry

I'd like to apologize for bieng harsh and sarcastic.
To disagree is one thing, to be arrogant and rude is another, which I was.  My
post lacked any respect for your opinion.
For that I'm sorry. We may not share the same views and I felt a little
offended. Hopefully you'll accept my apology.

Best Regards,
  Terry



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