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Subject: Re: Computer Results and Comments

Author: Paul Doire

Date: 13:24:49 04/11/01

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On April 11, 2001 at 14:59:56, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On April 11, 2001 at 12:36:34, Paul Doire wrote:
>
>>
>>One thing is for certain in this forum, if you take the time to run your
>>own tourneys or tests, and then take the time to post your results here at this
>>forum for everyones benefit, it is certain that someone will ridicule your
>>efforts, and many times many more than one person.
>
>Are you sure that criticism == ridicule?  I think you are mistaken.

You are entitled to your opinion.
>
>>This is a public forum and is not RUN by a certain few who think their opinion
>>is actual fact. I know as someone who has posted here a number of times in the
>>last year (that is the length of my experience with this forum)that this can be
>>an extraordinarily unfriendly place, and a definite deterrent to any new
>>posters.
>
>That much is certainly true, but this forum is far friendlier than most internet
>forums -- for example news:rec.games.chess.computer springs to mind.

Who cares I am talking about here!
>
>>I read this everyday and I can't believe the rude, arrogant answers
>>and comments which unfortunately are commonplace. I believe that is why you see
>>the same names time after time and very rarely see any new posts from new people
>>that last for any length of time. The goal here is apparently to railroad
>>everyone out of "Dodge".
>
>If someone disagrees, that is as much a part of discussion as being able to
>propose a controversial opinion.  Do you assume that because someone disagrees
>that they want you to leave?  If someone runs away from that, then they are the
>lowest form of coward.

I assume nothing, you seem to be the assumptive one.
>
>>This is the sad part of computer chess, although it is one of my hobbies, it
>>sickens me to see the fragile egos of so many speaking so loudly that newcomers
>>will surely find a friendlier place to discuss computer chess.
>
>Friendlier?  How friendly a forum is -- is purely a function of its members.  If
>one thousand people simultaneously shout someone down for being rude, then
>chances are good that person will stop being rude.  Of couse, the rude person
>may have been the only one in the cluster who was right, so the silence may have
>come at great cost.  In addition, there are formal guidelines to control our
>behavior within acceptable limits.
>
>To sterilize the forum in such a way that nobody is allowed to say anything
>negative is such a bad idea that if it ever happened, it would be a tragedy.
>
>On the other, other hand -- you do have a good point.  We can be contrary and
>still be civil about it.  On the other, other, other hand -- we should not
>become offended at every contrary remark.  A wise man once said, "The taking of
>offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid one."

This is the problem!!!!!!!!
>
>>I am glad that my interest is the same as those that frequent this place,but I
>>am equally glad that my personality is not the same as the ruthless, arrogant
>>bastards that blow everyone off this board.
>
>This (the above) is the epitomy of rutheless arrogance.  In fact, it is one of
>the most ruthless and arrogant statements I have ever read on this board.  On
>the other hand, I don't think it is so horrible that it ought to be censored,
>even though you have accused some large fraction of the readership in the most
>negative way.

If this is the rudest comment you have ever read you need to reread this forum,
I have said nothing of censorship, just decency and courtesy. Apparently a
foreign concept here.
****I have not "offended a large fraction of the readership", please give me a
break. No names were mentioned but the few that offend know very well who they
are*****
>
>>This forum will always be the "Little Club" it is for there is no foresight
>>about how to grow this into something as large and wonderful as this could be.
>
>If you know how to make a better one, I suggest that you do it.  If you know how
>to improve this one, then please offer the suggestions.


The tone of this forum is very condusive to helpful suggestions...ha...ha
You missed my whole point...please read again!!!!!
>
>>I have a new word for those who like to blast all off the board,
>>it is.......FRIENDLY.
>
>Friendly is a good idea.
>
>>You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Learn a lesson.
>
>The acutal quotation from Poor Richard's Almanac is: "You can catch more flies
>with a teaspoon of sugar than with a gallon of vinegar."

I never said I was quoting anyone, for your information.
>
>Now, does this mean that people should never disagree with you?  Does this mean
>that you should become offended because someone has a contrary opinion?

People can have a contrary opinion without the obnoxiuos attitude that
accompanies it. The condescending tone is the culprit,I sure you of all people
understand what I mean....Right,Dann
>
>Posting to USENET (anywhere on USENET) means that you should grow a 2 inch thick
>skin.

Who cares?????
>
>IMO-YMMV

Quit assuming and misquoting my posts if you have a question about my intent...
ASK ME

Paul



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