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Subject: Re: CM8K & Fritz - What am I testing.

Author: Scott Woods

Date: 10:23:26 04/12/01

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On April 12, 2001 at 04:20:07, stuart taylor wrote:

>On April 11, 2001 at 08:49:21, Scott Woods wrote:
>
>>Stuart,
>>
>>Very simple really.
>>
>>There have been a lot of posts on this site saying that CM8K is weak.
>>    -"A larger opening book is the problem"
>>    -"Weak in the endgame- needs table bases"
>>
>>There have been questions over which patch has been tested etc etc.
>>
>>Then there are posts of how well "The King" does when "Johan de Koenig" operates
>>the machine.
>>
>>A bit confusing all round.
>>
>>The proof of the pudding as they say.....
>>So I am volunteering myself to play 100 games of CM8K v1.02 against Fritz 6e.
>>because they are the 2 chess programs I currently own and I have to start
>>somewhere.
>>
>>My budget doesn't run to identical hardware so I have given Fritz the better
>>machine. It has the benefit 64Mg more memory, twice the amount of hash tables -
>>a faster processor and tablebases.
>>
>> - if the games look a bit one sided in favour of the faster hardware - I'll
>>swap the hardware at game 50.
>>
>>When we get to 100 games - we should have a fair idea of how well CM8K plays
>>against Fritz 6e.
>>
>>I will publish on this site every 10 games the results, settings, hardware specs
>>etc etc
>>
>>Then I'll go out and buy "Deep Something or other" and/or some of the other
>>engines that are well respected on this site and repeat the exercise.
>>
>>Will this prove which is the strongest chess engine in the market?
>>    - Of course it won't.
>>
>>What it will illustrate is how well CM8K plays against those other engines,
>>
>>
>>
>>As for playing CM6K against CM8K - I will leave that for someone else as CM6K
>>does not allow winboard232.exe autoplay
>
>
>This certainly sounds very worthwhile. But only if the nature of Fritz 6e is
>known, and/or other programs will/have also be(en) compared to it.
>(nb when I said earlier about 6e being weaker than 6a, I meaned 6b is weaker,
>not 6e. 6e maybe too, but I don't know).
>  "Will it prove which is the strongest chess engine in the market?" Of course,
>after a few tests with CM8K it will strongly indicate where CM8K stands, even if
>does not play all of them.
>S.Taylor

Hi Stuart,
Really bizarre 24 hours this.

SSDF has found that many of the CM8K games are invalid because of the "Thinking
lines switches" and are re-doing the affected CM8K games.
Hat's off to the guys for doing this - because it's a fair bit of their time to

Also I think the SSDF posting the games will have a lot more clout ( and
respectability ) than "little old me" but I will continue with them in the
meantime.

On a by note,
One thing I find fascinating is how the different engines are scheming and
plotting - ( and the difference in the points analysis too )

Now if I can only get the Missus to agree that I need Deep Fritz/ Deep Junior/
Shredder and Gambit Tiger.....etc...

;-p

Scott





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