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Subject: Re: Deep Shredder vs. Vladimir Kramnik ... what CCC think

Author: Chessfun

Date: 06:58:00 04/14/01

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On April 14, 2001 at 06:31:18, Frank Quisinsky wrote:

>Hello,
>
>it is a very interesting match.
>World Champion Vladimir Kramnik vs. Computer World Champion 1996, 1999, 2000 and
>IPCCC Champion 2000, 2001 Shredder.
>
>I don`t believe that a winner from a living room tournament can play against WM
>Vladmir Kramnik. The "Donald Duck" qualifikation in a "Micky Mouse" tournament
>is not interesting.


I myself think it's rather insulting the way you've chosen to put it.
I see nothing wrong with a qualifying tournament if Deep Shredder is the
best comp v comp let it prove it. Right now in my mind Deep Fritz is
#1. And I think also IMO that that qualifying tourney should be run by
either the SSDF or Enrique.

Also it's kinda irrelevant which program wins comp v comp when actually
what's going to play is comp v human. Who knows if any of the Deeps are
as strong v humans as other programs.

Ed himself made a good point for a number of programs to be included,
against humans I would also add Crafty to the list. Assuming time limitations or
sponsor requirements then likely any of the Deeps will play and do equally well.


>Shredder won all important tournaments and I think it is not a question which
>program can / must play against Vladimir Kramnik.


No, it is a question. Were Shredder to play, I for one would be thinking
why didn't we play the strongest program currently rated Deep Fritz or
play a qualifying tourney which you indicate will happen.


>The question for me is now:
>If Enrique play a quallification tournament I can`t believe that the TOP
>programmer will start on this tournament. In the regular tournaments no program
>can beat Shredder after now 33 games. So I think for the top programmers is also
>clear which program must play against Vladimir Kramnik.


Don't understand the question. Unless what you mean is Stefan won't be running
Shredder Enrique will. Isn't Enrique a beta tester for Shredder? that being the
case I'm sure he will perform equally well for it as for the other programs.


>Now we will see ...
>I lose my interest on computer chess if I see that Shredder can`t not play
>directly against Vladimir Kramnik.

I will lose mine if I see that the computer chess community don't play it's
best program in the event.

>What thinking the members of CCC.

See above.

Sarah.




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