Author: Jonas Cohonas
Date: 08:11:39 04/14/01
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On April 14, 2001 at 06:31:18, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >Hello, > >it is a very interesting match. >World Champion Vladimir Kramnik vs. Computer World Champion 1996, 1999, 2000 and >IPCCC Champion 2000, 2001 Shredder. > >I don`t believe that a winner from a living room tournament can play against WM >Vladmir Kramnik. The "Donald Duck" qualifikation in a "Micky Mouse" tournament >is not interesting. > >Compare to: >Frank Quisinsky play a WinBoard tourney at home and the winner can play against >Kasparov :-)) > >Shredder won all important tournaments and I think it is not a question which >program can / must play against Vladimir Kramnik. > >The question for me is now: >If Enrique play a quallification tournament I can`t believe that the TOP >programmer will start on this tournament. In the regular tournaments no program >can beat Shredder after now 33 games. So I think for the top programmers is also >clear which program must play against Vladimir Kramnik. > >Now we will see ... >I lose my interest on computer chess if I see that Shredder can`t not play >directly against Vladimir Kramnik. > >But interesting is: >After the big event Shredder vs. Kramnik a living room tournament is good enough >for play after the game 1 blitz game against Vladimir Kramnik :-)) > >What thinking the members of CCC. >I wonder if the most member have an other opinion. > >What thinking the programmer of Junior, Fritz, Gandalf, The King, Rebel, Hiarcs, >Nimzo, Shredder, Tiger ! > >Yes Christophe, Ed, Amir what do you think: > >Do you think I will play vs. Vladimir Kramnik or do you think no Shredder must >play against Vladimir Kramnik. > >Best >Frank Frank i respect you a lot, but this time you seem to have gone off the Deep end so to speak. The reason i think a qualification of progs is important and asked for, is the fact that Shedder don't perform as well in tournaments when beta testers is running them, therefore we need to have a shootout between all the best progs, also GT2 and CT14 has, AFAIK, not had a chance to meet Shredder 5 or Deep Shredder in "real" tounament like IPCCC. Program strenght changes all the time or should i say increase. Also it is important to take into account, that this time it is man Vs. machine and all bets are off, actually we should have a top ten of programs meet ten human GM's to determine what prog will get the honour, but since i don't see that happening we should settle for the second best thing and let the progs have a silicon shootout in order to get the best opponent for Kramnik. If Shredder is really so dominating as the record suggest ,33 and no losses, then there should be nothing to worry about, but i for one would like to be sure. As to the "donald duck"/"mickey mouse" reference i can only shake my head in disbelief, but it rhymes perfectly with your recent enthusiastic posts of Shredder Vs the Web, which i have found strange since you, AFAIK, dont even test Shredder yourself. I think in retrospect that from prog Vs human scores Deep Junior should play Kramnik, but putting it that simply, would not be fair to all the other progs, so i say let the nodes decide :-) As a chess enthusiast one should not forget that COMPetition and COMPetitions will always make our beloved progs stronger, no one prog should get exclusive right's to such a match due to 33 games. Imagine if you should chose a human opponent in this case kramnik Vs X, but then saying: "hey there is this guy who have scored better than kramnik on fics in the last 33 games he played so he should play instead" only to find out that this guy was shredder in disguise lol :-) no just kidding here, but as a beta tester only selecting one prog based on previous results seems absurd. GO DJ. Regards Jonas Regards Jonas Ps: My reference to IPCCC being a "real" tounament, is not meant as condesending just to sinlge it out from other tournaments, (like the brilliant ones of mr.Enrique )
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