Author: Chris Taylor
Date: 08:45:07 04/14/01
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On April 14, 2001 at 11:11:39, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >On April 14, 2001 at 06:31:18, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>it is a very interesting match. >>World Champion Vladimir Kramnik vs. Computer World Champion 1996, 1999, 2000 and >>IPCCC Champion 2000, 2001 Shredder. >> >>I don`t believe that a winner from a living room tournament can play against WM >>Vladmir Kramnik. The "Donald Duck" qualifikation in a "Micky Mouse" tournament >>is not interesting. >> >>Compare to: >>Frank Quisinsky play a WinBoard tourney at home and the winner can play against >>Kasparov :-)) >> >>Shredder won all important tournaments and I think it is not a question which >>program can / must play against Vladimir Kramnik. >> >>The question for me is now: >>If Enrique play a quallification tournament I can`t believe that the TOP >>programmer will start on this tournament. In the regular tournaments no program >>can beat Shredder after now 33 games. So I think for the top programmers is also >>clear which program must play against Vladimir Kramnik. >> >>Now we will see ... >>I lose my interest on computer chess if I see that Shredder can`t not play >>directly against Vladimir Kramnik. >> >>But interesting is: >>After the big event Shredder vs. Kramnik a living room tournament is good enough >>for play after the game 1 blitz game against Vladimir Kramnik :-)) >> >>What thinking the members of CCC. >>I wonder if the most member have an other opinion. >> >>What thinking the programmer of Junior, Fritz, Gandalf, The King, Rebel, Hiarcs, >>Nimzo, Shredder, Tiger ! >> >>Yes Christophe, Ed, Amir what do you think: >> >>Do you think I will play vs. Vladimir Kramnik or do you think no Shredder must >>play against Vladimir Kramnik. >> >>Best >>Frank > >Frank i respect you a lot, but this time you seem to have gone off the Deep end >so to speak. The reason i think a qualification of progs is important and asked >for, is the fact that Shedder don't perform as well in tournaments when beta >testers is running them, therefore we need to have a shootout between all the >best progs, also GT2 and CT14 has, AFAIK, not had a chance to meet Shredder 5 >or Deep Shredder in "real" tounament like IPCCC. Program strenght changes all >the time or should i say increase. Also it is important to take into account, >that this time it is man Vs. machine and all bets are off, actually we should >have a top ten of programs meet ten human GM's to determine what prog will get >the honour, but since i don't see that happening we should settle for the second >best thing and let the progs have a silicon shootout in order to get the best >opponent for Kramnik. If Shredder is really so dominating as the record suggest >,33 and no losses, then there should be nothing to worry about, but i for one >would like to be sure. As to the "donald duck"/"mickey mouse" reference >i can only shake my head in disbelief, but it rhymes perfectly with your recent >enthusiastic posts of Shredder Vs the Web, which i have found strange since you, >AFAIK, dont even test Shredder yourself. >I think in retrospect that from prog Vs human scores Deep Junior should play >Kramnik, but putting it that simply, would not be fair to all the other progs, >so i say let the nodes decide :-) As a chess enthusiast one should not forget >that COMPetition and COMPetitions will always make our beloved progs stronger, >no one prog should get exclusive right's to such a match due to 33 games. >Imagine if you should chose a human opponent in this case kramnik Vs X, but then >saying: "hey there is this guy who have scored better than kramnik on fics in >the last 33 games he played so he should play instead" only to find out that >this guy was shredder in disguise lol :-) no just kidding here, but as a beta >tester only selecting one prog based on previous results seems absurd. >GO DJ. > >Regards >Jonas > >Regards >Jonas > >Ps: My reference to IPCCC being a "real" tounament, is not meant as condesending >just to sinlge it out from other tournaments, (like the brilliant ones of >mr.Enrique ) Ask him to play a *simul* against all of them. Line up 10 computers. It would be a sight to see his eyes glaze over, as he battled the best computers + programs! This way you don't need to pick out one prog, and have a bunch of others lose out! Chris Taylor
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