Author: Jonas Cohonas
Date: 09:00:34 04/14/01
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On April 14, 2001 at 11:45:07, Chris Taylor wrote: >On April 14, 2001 at 11:11:39, Jonas Cohonas wrote: > >>On April 14, 2001 at 06:31:18, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>it is a very interesting match. >>>World Champion Vladimir Kramnik vs. Computer World Champion 1996, 1999, 2000 and >>>IPCCC Champion 2000, 2001 Shredder. >>> >>>I don`t believe that a winner from a living room tournament can play against WM >>>Vladmir Kramnik. The "Donald Duck" qualifikation in a "Micky Mouse" tournament >>>is not interesting. >>> >>>Compare to: >>>Frank Quisinsky play a WinBoard tourney at home and the winner can play against >>>Kasparov :-)) >>> >>>Shredder won all important tournaments and I think it is not a question which >>>program can / must play against Vladimir Kramnik. >>> >>>The question for me is now: >>>If Enrique play a quallification tournament I can`t believe that the TOP >>>programmer will start on this tournament. In the regular tournaments no program >>>can beat Shredder after now 33 games. So I think for the top programmers is also >>>clear which program must play against Vladimir Kramnik. >>> >>>Now we will see ... >>>I lose my interest on computer chess if I see that Shredder can`t not play >>>directly against Vladimir Kramnik. >>> >>>But interesting is: >>>After the big event Shredder vs. Kramnik a living room tournament is good enough >>>for play after the game 1 blitz game against Vladimir Kramnik :-)) >>> >>>What thinking the members of CCC. >>>I wonder if the most member have an other opinion. >>> >>>What thinking the programmer of Junior, Fritz, Gandalf, The King, Rebel, Hiarcs, >>>Nimzo, Shredder, Tiger ! >>> >>>Yes Christophe, Ed, Amir what do you think: >>> >>>Do you think I will play vs. Vladimir Kramnik or do you think no Shredder must >>>play against Vladimir Kramnik. >>> >>>Best >>>Frank >> >>Frank i respect you a lot, but this time you seem to have gone off the Deep end >>so to speak. The reason i think a qualification of progs is important and asked >>for, is the fact that Shedder don't perform as well in tournaments when beta >>testers is running them, therefore we need to have a shootout between all the >>best progs, also GT2 and CT14 has, AFAIK, not had a chance to meet Shredder 5 >>or Deep Shredder in "real" tounament like IPCCC. Program strenght changes all >>the time or should i say increase. Also it is important to take into account, >>that this time it is man Vs. machine and all bets are off, actually we should >>have a top ten of programs meet ten human GM's to determine what prog will get >>the honour, but since i don't see that happening we should settle for the second >>best thing and let the progs have a silicon shootout in order to get the best >>opponent for Kramnik. If Shredder is really so dominating as the record suggest >>,33 and no losses, then there should be nothing to worry about, but i for one >>would like to be sure. As to the "donald duck"/"mickey mouse" reference >>i can only shake my head in disbelief, but it rhymes perfectly with your recent >>enthusiastic posts of Shredder Vs the Web, which i have found strange since you, >>AFAIK, dont even test Shredder yourself. >>I think in retrospect that from prog Vs human scores Deep Junior should play >>Kramnik, but putting it that simply, would not be fair to all the other progs, >>so i say let the nodes decide :-) As a chess enthusiast one should not forget >>that COMPetition and COMPetitions will always make our beloved progs stronger, >>no one prog should get exclusive right's to such a match due to 33 games. >>Imagine if you should chose a human opponent in this case kramnik Vs X, but then >>saying: "hey there is this guy who have scored better than kramnik on fics in >>the last 33 games he played so he should play instead" only to find out that >>this guy was shredder in disguise lol :-) no just kidding here, but as a beta >>tester only selecting one prog based on previous results seems absurd. >>GO DJ. >> >>Regards >>Jonas >> >>Regards >>Jonas >> >>Ps: My reference to IPCCC being a "real" tounament, is not meant as condesending >>just to sinlge it out from other tournaments, (like the brilliant ones of >>mr.Enrique ) > >Ask him to play a *simul* against all of them. Line up 10 computers. It would >be a sight to see his eyes glaze over, as he battled the best computers + >programs! >This way you don't need to pick out one prog, and have a bunch of others lose >out! > >Chris Taylor Good idea, but i dont see that happening :-( i would even go a step further and say we should have a double round robin bet(a)ween the top ten human players and the top ten progs. But how do we find out who's the top ten engines VS human's? Regards Jonas
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