Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 12:35:17 04/14/01
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On April 14, 2001 at 15:28:38, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 14, 2001 at 14:30:35, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>On April 14, 2001 at 14:01:51, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On April 14, 2001 at 13:26:12, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>You should first mention that you are quoting here the Millennium website. >>> >>> >>> >>>>It’s a well-known fact: the German chess program SHREDDER is not only the >>>>reigning, Absolute (we get it) Computer Chess World Champion and a three times >>>>Microcomputer World Champion but, with a recent series of additional tournament >>>>wins, SHREDDER has been beyond any doubt world’s most successful(computer) chess >>>>tournament program over the past 5 years. >>> >>> >>> >>>When I read this, I feel like I should retire right now from computer chess. It >>>sounds so hopeless to try to do anything against such a monster program. >>> >>>:) :) :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> With this in mind, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen >>>>of Düsseldorf, in late 2000 challenged the winner of the London Braingames World >>>>Championship tournament to a match man against computer. Following Vladimir >>>>Kramnik’s surprise win over Garry Kasparov, we were informed at the beginning of >>>>this year that ‘Braingames’ has come to an agreement with the Government of >>>>Bahrain, where in October 2001 a tournament is to take place between the two >>>>world champions, Kramnik and SHREDDER. Negotiations regarding the details of >>>>this match have been going on for some time. >>>>It came therefore as no small surprise when Stefan Meyer-Kahlen received an >>>>invitation for a so-called ‘Braingames Computer Chess World Championship’ which >>>>– out of the blue – was to serve as a qualifying round for the match against >>>>Kramnik. Furthermore (and much to Stefan’s astonishment), this qualification >>>>tournament was to be held in closed session, ie excluding the public as well as >>>>the programmers concerned, in the private residence of a Spanish computer chess >>>>tester. As an entry fee, each programmer was to pay no less than US$ 5,000. It >>>>is quite clear that the reigning Absolute Computer World Champion has no >>>>interest whatsoever defending his title at this kind of ‘living-room >>>>tournament’. An official title can be defended only at a regular and public >>>>World Championship tournament under the auspices of an official and independent >>>>organisation, such as the ICCA. >>> >>> >>> >>>Notice how the author very eleganty avoids to mention any other top chess >>>program involved in the tournament. >>> >>>That's art. :) >>> >>>Sounds like JUST mentionning them would be a serious threat to the reputation of >>>Millennium's baby, at least in the writer's mind. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Is there any confirmation that the above statement is non-biased? >>> >>> >>> >>>:) :) :) :) >>> >>>Are you so new in computer chess that you can believe that something coming from >>>the Millennium website is unbiased? :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >> >>Christophe, >> >>which program must play against Vladimir Kramnik ? >> >>Chess Tiger ? >> >>:) (one is enough) >> >>You can not beat Shredder is a official tourney. > >Of course Chess tiger could not beat shredder in tournaments when one of these >program did not play. >It proves nothing. > >The last tournament when both programs played were a long time ago and today >chess programs are better. > > > So I think you must say ... the >>best program for a match against Vladimir Kramnik is Shredder. > >The tournaments when Shredder won were not tournaments for the right to play >against kramnik. > >It is unfair to change the target of tournaments after they are over. >It is possible that more programs like Ferret could participate in the last >tournaments that shredder won if they knew before the tournament that the >tournament is for the right to play against Kramnik. > >Ferret participated in a tournament that shredder won(and came second place) >only some years ago and it did not participate in the last tournament that >Shredder won > >Uri Hi Uri, yes this is also right. But it is not the problem from Shredder if Ferret not play. The programmer from Ferret can find people for operating if he have no time for London. All programmer which have interest can play the WM. 14 programs in London, not more :-(( I hope that in the next tourneys more programmers have interest to play. Shredder won all important and big tourneys in the last years, now Shredder must have a chance to play against Kramnik. Best Frank
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