Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 14:10:38 04/14/01
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On April 14, 2001 at 12:54:32, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >On April 14, 2001 at 07:37:13, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On April 14, 2001 at 06:31:18, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>it is a very interesting match. >>>World Champion Vladimir Kramnik vs. Computer World Champion 1996, 1999, 2000 and >>>IPCCC Champion 2000, 2001 Shredder. >>> >>>I don`t believe that a winner from a living room tournament can play against WM >>>Vladmir Kramnik. The "Donald Duck" qualifikation in a "Micky Mouse" tournament >>>is not interesting. >>> >>>Compare to: >>>Frank Quisinsky play a WinBoard tourney at home and the winner can play against >>>Kasparov :-)) >>> >>>Shredder won all important tournaments and I think it is not a question which >>>program can / must play against Vladimir Kramnik. >>> >>>The question for me is now: >>>If Enrique play a quallification tournament I can`t believe that the TOP >>>programmer will start on this tournament. In the regular tournaments no program >>>can beat Shredder after now 33 games. So I think for the top programmers is also >>>clear which program must play against Vladimir Kramnik. >>> >>>Now we will see ... >>>I lose my interest on computer chess if I see that Shredder can`t not play >>>directly against Vladimir Kramnik. >>> >>>But interesting is: >>>After the big event Shredder vs. Kramnik a living room tournament is good enough >>>for play after the game 1 blitz game against Vladimir Kramnik :-)) >>> >>>What thinking the members of CCC. >>>I wonder if the most member have an other opinion. >> >>Time for a poll. > >Hi Ed, > >yes I thinking about this for hours :-) > >>>What thinking the programmer of Junior, Fritz, Gandalf, The King, Rebel, Hiarcs, >>>Nimzo, Shredder, Tiger ! >>> >>>Yes Christophe, Ed, Amir what do you think: >> >>Shredder, hard to ignore since its impressive comp-comp programmer tournament >>victories; >>Fritz, self understood; >>Junior, got a TPR of 2700 last year in Dortmund I believe, hard to ignore too; >>Tiger, probably the strongest at the moment; >>Rebel, undefeated in each human-comp match it played. > >This is all right ! >But you will play against a World Champion and I think the World Champion will >play against the Computer Chess World Champion and Shredder is World Champion >from 1996, 1999, 2000 !! > >Ed, all programmers which can`t beat Shredder in a WM have not a chance to say I >will play against Kramnik. All this programmer must say ... Shredder ist World >Champion and must play against Kramnik. Yes, you have a serious point no doubt. But I hope you will understand I am a bit biased when the topic is about Tiger and Rebel. On the other hand my claims about Tiger (probably the strongest) and Rebel (undefeated in human-comp matches) remains true. Yussupov, Anand, v/d Wiel, ring a bell :-) Problem of the raised question is that no one knows for sure which program has the best chances against Kramnik. If that was clear we would not have this discussion and that program should play Kramnik, IMHO. Ed >This is fair and I hope the TOP programmers building this opinion or we have in >the near future also 2 Computer Chess World Champions or 3 or 4 ? > >Best >Frank > >>Most honest thing is to have a play-off. >> >>If that is feasible is another matter. >> >>Ed >> >> >>>Do you think I will play vs. Vladimir Kramnik or do you think no Shredder must >>>play against Vladimir Kramnik. >>> >>>Best >>>Frank
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