Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 14:38:12 04/14/01
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On April 14, 2001 at 17:10:38, Ed Schröder wrote: >On April 14, 2001 at 12:54:32, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>On April 14, 2001 at 07:37:13, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On April 14, 2001 at 06:31:18, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>it is a very interesting match. >>>>World Champion Vladimir Kramnik vs. Computer World Champion 1996, 1999, 2000 and >>>>IPCCC Champion 2000, 2001 Shredder. >>>> >>>>I don`t believe that a winner from a living room tournament can play against WM >>>>Vladmir Kramnik. The "Donald Duck" qualifikation in a "Micky Mouse" tournament >>>>is not interesting. >>>> >>>>Compare to: >>>>Frank Quisinsky play a WinBoard tourney at home and the winner can play against >>>>Kasparov :-)) >>>> >>>>Shredder won all important tournaments and I think it is not a question which >>>>program can / must play against Vladimir Kramnik. >>>> >>>>The question for me is now: >>>>If Enrique play a quallification tournament I can`t believe that the TOP >>>>programmer will start on this tournament. In the regular tournaments no program >>>>can beat Shredder after now 33 games. So I think for the top programmers is also >>>>clear which program must play against Vladimir Kramnik. >>>> >>>>Now we will see ... >>>>I lose my interest on computer chess if I see that Shredder can`t not play >>>>directly against Vladimir Kramnik. >>>> >>>>But interesting is: >>>>After the big event Shredder vs. Kramnik a living room tournament is good enough >>>>for play after the game 1 blitz game against Vladimir Kramnik :-)) >>>> >>>>What thinking the members of CCC. >>>>I wonder if the most member have an other opinion. >>> >>>Time for a poll. >> >>Hi Ed, >> >>yes I thinking about this for hours :-) >> >>>>What thinking the programmer of Junior, Fritz, Gandalf, The King, Rebel, Hiarcs, >>>>Nimzo, Shredder, Tiger ! >>>> >>>>Yes Christophe, Ed, Amir what do you think: >>> >>>Shredder, hard to ignore since its impressive comp-comp programmer tournament >>>victories; >>>Fritz, self understood; >>>Junior, got a TPR of 2700 last year in Dortmund I believe, hard to ignore too; >>>Tiger, probably the strongest at the moment; >>>Rebel, undefeated in each human-comp match it played. >> >>This is all right ! >>But you will play against a World Champion and I think the World Champion will >>play against the Computer Chess World Champion and Shredder is World Champion >>from 1996, 1999, 2000 !! >> >>Ed, all programmers which can`t beat Shredder in a WM have not a chance to say I >>will play against Kramnik. All this programmer must say ... Shredder ist World >>Champion and must play against Kramnik. > >Yes, you have a serious point no doubt. > >But I hope you will understand I am a bit biased when the topic is about >Tiger and Rebel. On the other hand my claims about Tiger (probably the >strongest) and Rebel (undefeated in human-comp matches) remains true. > >Yussupov, Anand, v/d Wiel, ring a bell :-) > >Problem of the raised question is that no one knows for sure which program >has the best chances against Kramnik. If that was clear we would not have >this discussion and that program should play Kramnik, IMHO. > >Ed Ed, I agreed with you in the following point: Rebel is a program with super results against grandmasters. The playing style from Rebel is not very easy for a human player. All this is right and I say more ... I saw enough games from Rebel where I must say ... Super ED ! Also when I see results from other programs against grandmasters. In this point I agreed full with you !! Rebel is very strong against human player, you make here a very good work in the last years. But ... We have not see enough games from Shredder or Gandalf or Hiarcs against gradmasters. Also Hiarcs and I think clearly also Chess Tiger have a good chance to play very good games against Kramnik or an other top player. Ed, I read here a very good idea that one or two grandmasters playing against the best programs long matches. I think not easy to find 2-3 grandmasters for this action. In combination with the WM 2001 (more interesting as a tourney from a privat person --- my critic is not a critic to Enrique, I think he will also make the best ---) we can solved the problem. I think the best way to found a good deal for all is when the programmers find here good way. For me is clear: I wish me a match ... Shredder - Kramnik Shredder won all important tourneys and this is reason enough to say Shredder must play. Best Frank > > >>This is fair and I hope the TOP programmers building this opinion or we have in >>the near future also 2 Computer Chess World Champions or 3 or 4 ? >> >>Best >>Frank >> >>>Most honest thing is to have a play-off. >>> >>>If that is feasible is another matter. >>> >>>Ed >>> >>> >>>>Do you think I will play vs. Vladimir Kramnik or do you think no Shredder must >>>>play against Vladimir Kramnik. >>>> >>>>Best >>>>Frank
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