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Subject: Re: programmers and the wall

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 15:22:21 04/14/01

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On April 14, 2001 at 17:49:49, Rajen Gupta wrote:

>On April 14, 2001 at 17:25:10, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On April 14, 2001 at 17:08:43, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>
>>>i've noticed ever since i've been following computer chess that there is a
>>>programming cycle at the end of which a particular programme gets exhausted and
>>>then reaches a plateau.presumably the programmer has milked everything possible
>>>from the programming technique he uses for his programme, after which unless he
>>>tries something new, there is a flat line.this is esp true for the
>>>champions-once a champion has lost his crown, he never makes a comeback; remains
>>>a has been-genius; mcpro; rebel; hiarcs,
>> now fritz is struggling to retain its
>>>top spot with the twin assault from the 2 tigers!
>>
>>I do not see it.
>>Genius was top programs for years and I believe that the reason it stopped to be
>>a top program is the fact that richard lang stopped to develop his program.
>HI URI:
>
>DID IT STOP IMPROVING BECAUSE HE STOPPED DEVELOPING IT OR IS IT THE OTHER WAY
>ROUND AS MOST PEOPLE THINK? HE CONTINUES TO DEVELOP GENIUS FOR HAND HELDS
>THOUGH, WHERE THERE ISN'T MUCH HEAT ! GENIUS 3 WAS THE BEST BUT HE SUBSEQUENTLY
>RELEASED 4, 5. 6 AND 6.5 ALL OF WHICH WERE SAME OR SLIGHTLY WEAKER THAN G3

I do not think that he continued to develop it.
I think that he sold people the illusion that he continued to develop it.

>
>REBEL 8 WAS NUMBER 1 AND ALL SUBSEQUENT REBELS HAVE REMAINED ROUGHLY SAME
>STRENGHTH.

Did you test Century3 against Rebel8 in order to find out?
>
>MCP MAY NOT HAVE BEEN 1 BUT BUT IT WAS 2 AND IT FAILED TO IMPROVE AFTER NUMBER
>6.IT HAS NOW CEASED PRODUCTION.
>
>NIMZO 7.32 AND 8 ARE EXACTLY EQUAL. CHESSMASTER 5000 ONWARDS I GUESS ARE
>BASICALLY UNIMPROVED.
>
>FRTIZ HAS CERTAINLY NOT REACHED A WALL AND MAY CONTINUE AT NUMBER 1 FOR A LONG
>TIME BUT LIKE ALL OTHERS WILL EVENTUALLY REACH A WALL-MY PREDICTION.
>
>ONE GOOD THING I LIKE ABOUT HIARCS IS THAT IT RELEASES NEWER VERSIONS ONLY IF
>THEY ARE STRONGER THAN THE PLDER ONES UNLIKE SOME OF THE ''TOP PROGRAMMERS'' WHO
>KEEP RELEASING THE SAME OLD WINE IN NEW BOTTLES EVERY YEAR.

It is the same for Junior.

Uri



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