Author: Bertil Eklund
Date: 16:31:48 04/14/01
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On April 14, 2001 at 17:04:39, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 14, 2001 at 14:30:35, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>On April 14, 2001 at 14:01:51, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On April 14, 2001 at 13:26:12, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>You should first mention that you are quoting here the Millennium website. >>> >>> >>> >>>>It’s a well-known fact: the German chess program SHREDDER is not only the >>>>reigning, Absolute (we get it) Computer Chess World Champion and a three times >>>>Microcomputer World Champion but, with a recent series of additional tournament >>>>wins, SHREDDER has been beyond any doubt world’s most successful(computer) chess >>>>tournament program over the past 5 years. >>> >>> >>> >>>When I read this, I feel like I should retire right now from computer chess. It >>>sounds so hopeless to try to do anything against such a monster program. >>> >>>:) :) :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> With this in mind, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen >>>>of Düsseldorf, in late 2000 challenged the winner of the London Braingames World >>>>Championship tournament to a match man against computer. Following Vladimir >>>>Kramnik’s surprise win over Garry Kasparov, we were informed at the beginning of >>>>this year that ‘Braingames’ has come to an agreement with the Government of >>>>Bahrain, where in October 2001 a tournament is to take place between the two >>>>world champions, Kramnik and SHREDDER. Negotiations regarding the details of >>>>this match have been going on for some time. >>>>It came therefore as no small surprise when Stefan Meyer-Kahlen received an >>>>invitation for a so-called ‘Braingames Computer Chess World Championship’ which >>>>– out of the blue – was to serve as a qualifying round for the match against >>>>Kramnik. Furthermore (and much to Stefan’s astonishment), this qualification >>>>tournament was to be held in closed session, ie excluding the public as well as >>>>the programmers concerned, in the private residence of a Spanish computer chess >>>>tester. As an entry fee, each programmer was to pay no less than US$ 5,000. It >>>>is quite clear that the reigning Absolute Computer World Champion has no >>>>interest whatsoever defending his title at this kind of ‘living-room >>>>tournament’. An official title can be defended only at a regular and public >>>>World Championship tournament under the auspices of an official and independent >>>>organisation, such as the ICCA. >>> >>> >>> >>>Notice how the author very eleganty avoids to mention any other top chess >>>program involved in the tournament. >>> >>>That's art. :) >>> >>>Sounds like JUST mentionning them would be a serious threat to the reputation of >>>Millennium's baby, at least in the writer's mind. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Is there any confirmation that the above statement is non-biased? >>> >>> >>> >>>:) :) :) :) >>> >>>Are you so new in computer chess that you can believe that something coming from >>>the Millennium website is unbiased? :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >> >>Christophe, >> >>which program must play against Vladimir Kramnik ? >> >>Chess Tiger ? >> >>:) (one is enough) > > > >I have already given my point of view on this issue. > >In short: >1) I still do not understand the arbitrary choice of Deep Fritz, Deep Junior and >Deep Shredder I have been into this since 1978 with Chess Challenger10. I have been asked as a chessconsultant or chess-computer expert, for what it is worth, to recommend a challenger against Kramnik to recommend the best programs that can challenge him on a SMP-machine, in this case with 8 cpus and I can only recommend three or four programs Deep-Fritz, Deep-Shredder and Deep-Junior and of course Deeper Blue. Do you have any other serious candidates for this challenge? This is no lottery, the challenge is played in "long" matches in difference to the Computer World Champion-ships where only nine (or so) rounds are played. All the above programs are invited because of their status on the SSDF-list or their results in tournaments. Yes it is true that one or two programs are missing in this case Tiger(s) and Fritz6. It is possible that Tiger or Gambit is stronger then the above mentioned programs on a single processor. I don't believe that Tiger or Gambit has any serious chances against any of these programs on one cpu vs 8 cpus. You know very well that you had been invited if your program could use 8 cpus. You know very well that I love the style of Gambit and I critisized you for the style of Tiger 12 (a new Genius, very good but extremely boring) >2) Why is the winner of such a closed tournament supposed to perform the best >against a player of a totally different kind? Any suggestions? How can you decide this, if you don't play against humans for several months? > >Please note that I do NOT question the integrity of the person chosen to do the >qualifying tournament (Enrique), and that I do NOT question the fact that these >programs are very good. Good! Yes most people including me, still miss you, but you have told in different foras that you are not going SMP at least for the near future. > Bertil > > > > >>You can not beat Shredder is a official tourney. So I think you must say ... the >>best program for a match against Vladimir Kramnik is Shredder. > > > >You must be kidding. > >Franck, your objectivity was the guaranty of the good quality and interest of >your tournaments, but obviously this objectivity is fading away. > > > > >>All other opinions from other chess programmer to this case are own goals. >>Sorry, but this is clear for me. > > > > >What is clear to me is that I was referring to the very funny texts you can read >on the Millennium page. I guess they can fool people with absolutely no computer >chess background, which might be the case of the majority of people reading this >pages, maybe. So maybe this kind of propaganda actually works, unfortunately. > >What is not clear to me is how you can say things like "You can not beat >Shredder in an official tourney". What are you trying to do with such a risky >useless statement? > > > > > Christophe
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