Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 16:46:11 04/14/01
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On April 14, 2001 at 19:31:18, Ed Schröder wrote: >On April 14, 2001 at 17:38:12, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>On April 14, 2001 at 17:10:38, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On April 14, 2001 at 12:54:32, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>> >>>>On April 14, 2001 at 07:37:13, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 14, 2001 at 06:31:18, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>>it is a very interesting match. >>>>>>World Champion Vladimir Kramnik vs. Computer World Champion 1996, 1999, 2000 and >>>>>>IPCCC Champion 2000, 2001 Shredder. >>>>>> >>>>>>I don`t believe that a winner from a living room tournament can play against WM >>>>>>Vladmir Kramnik. The "Donald Duck" qualifikation in a "Micky Mouse" tournament >>>>>>is not interesting. >>>>>> >>>>>>Compare to: >>>>>>Frank Quisinsky play a WinBoard tourney at home and the winner can play against >>>>>>Kasparov :-)) >>>>>> >>>>>>Shredder won all important tournaments and I think it is not a question which >>>>>>program can / must play against Vladimir Kramnik. >>>>>> >>>>>>The question for me is now: >>>>>>If Enrique play a quallification tournament I can`t believe that the TOP >>>>>>programmer will start on this tournament. In the regular tournaments no program >>>>>>can beat Shredder after now 33 games. So I think for the top programmers is also >>>>>>clear which program must play against Vladimir Kramnik. >>>>>> >>>>>>Now we will see ... >>>>>>I lose my interest on computer chess if I see that Shredder can`t not play >>>>>>directly against Vladimir Kramnik. >>>>>> >>>>>>But interesting is: >>>>>>After the big event Shredder vs. Kramnik a living room tournament is good enough >>>>>>for play after the game 1 blitz game against Vladimir Kramnik :-)) >>>>>> >>>>>>What thinking the members of CCC. >>>>>>I wonder if the most member have an other opinion. >>>>> >>>>>Time for a poll. >>>> >>>>Hi Ed, >>>> >>>>yes I thinking about this for hours :-) >>>> >>>>>>What thinking the programmer of Junior, Fritz, Gandalf, The King, Rebel, Hiarcs, >>>>>>Nimzo, Shredder, Tiger ! >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes Christophe, Ed, Amir what do you think: >>>>> >>>>>Shredder, hard to ignore since its impressive comp-comp programmer tournament >>>>>victories; >>>>>Fritz, self understood; >>>>>Junior, got a TPR of 2700 last year in Dortmund I believe, hard to ignore too; >>>>>Tiger, probably the strongest at the moment; >>>>>Rebel, undefeated in each human-comp match it played. >>>> >>>>This is all right ! >>>>But you will play against a World Champion and I think the World Champion will >>>>play against the Computer Chess World Champion and Shredder is World Champion >>>>from 1996, 1999, 2000 !! >>>> >>>>Ed, all programmers which can`t beat Shredder in a WM have not a chance to say I >>>>will play against Kramnik. All this programmer must say ... Shredder ist World >>>>Champion and must play against Kramnik. >>> >>>Yes, you have a serious point no doubt. >>> >>>But I hope you will understand I am a bit biased when the topic is about >>>Tiger and Rebel. On the other hand my claims about Tiger (probably the >>>strongest) and Rebel (undefeated in human-comp matches) remains true. >>> >>>Yussupov, Anand, v/d Wiel, ring a bell :-) >>> >>>Problem of the raised question is that no one knows for sure which program >>>has the best chances against Kramnik. If that was clear we would not have >>>this discussion and that program should play Kramnik, IMHO. >>> >>>Ed >> >>Ed, >> >>I agreed with you in the following point: >>Rebel is a program with super results against grandmasters. The playing style >>from Rebel is not very easy for a human player. All this is right and I say more >>... I saw enough games from Rebel where I must say ... Super ED ! >> >>Also when I see results from other programs against grandmasters. >> >>In this point I agreed full with you !! >>Rebel is very strong against human player, you make here a very good work in the >>last years. >> >>But ... >>We have not see enough games from Shredder or Gandalf or Hiarcs against >>gradmasters. Also Hiarcs and I think clearly also Chess Tiger have a good chance >>to play very good games against Kramnik or an other top player. >> >>Ed, >>I read here a very good idea that one or two grandmasters playing against the >>best programs long matches. I think not easy to find 2-3 grandmasters for this >>action. In combination with the WM 2001 (more interesting as a tourney from a >>privat person --- my critic is not a critic to Enrique, I think he will also >>make the best ---) we can solved the problem. >> >>I think the best way to found a good deal for all is when the programmers find >>here good way. > >I agree with the idea. Invite GM John v/d Wiel, GM Jeroen Piket and GM >Seirawan (the famous AEGON comp killers), invite 5-6 chess programs too, >let them play a small tournament. The best may play Kramnik. > >Programmers have all things in their own control, the operator, the hardware >and book preparation. > >For that scenario I am happy to put the needed $5000 on the table. > >Ed Hi Ed, yes, I like the idea and the idea to organize a very big event, the WM 2001! We must found a way if the most of other programmers not say Deep Shredder can play vs. Kramnik. I think Shredder can play vs. Kramnik and we all organize for the future a better modus for search an engine which can play vs. Kramnik. OK, OK ... If GM John v/d Wiel, GM Jeroen Piket and GM Seirawan (Seirawan is my favorite player with Miles, not to do with the problematic) play here an high level event vs. the best computer chess programs I think this is a good way. But Ed, do you really think that this persons have interest ? Do you have good contacts to this GMs ? And we must try that big firms give money for this event. A new harvard tourney ... not bad ... A good way is here ... 5 programs and 3 GMs. All against all 4 rounds ! This was great ! We have 28 games for all 5 programs. Game in 90 minutes is a good way, 3 games daily and in 2-3 weeks. So we can created 2 new events. This tourney and the match Kramnik vs. the Winner of this tourney. Best Frank > > >>For me is clear: >>I wish me a match ... >> >>Shredder - Kramnik >> >>Shredder won all important tourneys and this is reason enough to say Shredder >>must play. >> >>Best >>Frank >> >>> >>> >>>>This is fair and I hope the TOP programmers building this opinion or we have in >>>>the near future also 2 Computer Chess World Champions or 3 or 4 ? >>>> >>>>Best >>>>Frank >>>> >>>>>Most honest thing is to have a play-off. >>>>> >>>>>If that is feasible is another matter. >>>>> >>>>>Ed >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Do you think I will play vs. Vladimir Kramnik or do you think no Shredder must >>>>>>play against Vladimir Kramnik. >>>>>> >>>>>>Best >>>>>>Frank
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