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Subject: Re: Deep Shredder vs. Vladimir Kramnik ... what thinking the programmers of

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 17:28:15 04/14/01

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On April 14, 2001 at 06:31:18, Frank Quisinsky wrote:


Apart from all the donald duck talk,
shredder has gotten all its world titles by very passive play.
very unsound positional play actually usually, but bottom line very
passive. then in endgame where all progs suck bigtime it usually saves
its ass or wins the game. Also late middlegame it is doing quite well,
though more programs play very good there.

In short this is the ideal opponent for any of todays GMs who are
a bit used to aggressive programs like Fritz6 now, not to mention Tiger.

Shredder compared to that is sitting duck.

>Hello,
>
>it is a very interesting match.
>World Champion Vladimir Kramnik vs. Computer World Champion 1996, 1999, 2000 and
>IPCCC Champion 2000, 2001 Shredder.
>
>I don`t believe that a winner from a living room tournament can play against WM
>Vladmir Kramnik. The "Donald Duck" qualifikation in a "Micky Mouse" tournament
>is not interesting.
>
>Compare to:
>Frank Quisinsky play a WinBoard tourney at home and the winner can play against
>Kasparov :-))
>
>Shredder won all important tournaments and I think it is not a question which
>program can / must play against Vladimir Kramnik.
>
>The question for me is now:
>If Enrique play a quallification tournament I can`t believe that the TOP
>programmer will start on this tournament. In the regular tournaments no program
>can beat Shredder after now 33 games. So I think for the top programmers is also
>clear which program must play against Vladimir Kramnik.
>
>Now we will see ...
>I lose my interest on computer chess if I see that Shredder can`t not play
>directly against Vladimir Kramnik.
>
>But interesting is:
>After the big event Shredder vs. Kramnik a living room tournament is good enough
>for play after the game 1 blitz game against Vladimir Kramnik :-))
>
>What thinking the members of CCC.
>I wonder if the most member have an other opinion.
>
>What thinking the programmer of Junior, Fritz, Gandalf, The King, Rebel, Hiarcs,
>Nimzo, Shredder, Tiger !
>
>Yes Christophe, Ed, Amir what do you think:
>
>Do you think I will play vs. Vladimir Kramnik or do you think no Shredder must
>play against Vladimir Kramnik.
>
>Best
>Frank



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