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Subject: Re: Latest millenium news?

Author: Chessfun

Date: 18:54:01 04/14/01

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On April 14, 2001 at 21:44:45, Frank Quisinsky wrote:

>On April 14, 2001 at 21:29:07, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On April 14, 2001 at 19:14:48, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>
>>>i have also enough results :-)
>>>
>>>Example (Gandalf) at the moment:
>>>54% vs. Fritz 6a / Deep Fritz
>>>69% vs. Nimzo 2000b / 7-32 / 8
>>>56% vs. Junior 6a
>>>46% vs. Shredder 5.0
>>>48% vs. Chess Tiger 13.0
>>>55% vs. Gambit-Tiger 1.0
>>>
>>>Results with longer time controls from different people !!
>>
>>Amazing results, they certainly look nothing like mine.
>>How many games from each make up these percentages, what are the
>>time controls, computers etc, source of the games. etc.
>
>You have a chance to visit all computer chess fora and you can also make a
>notice. I must not search all results the long day. You know the Gandalf Beta
>test forum, visit my webpage, the Gambit-Soft forum. All is not a problem.
>
>>>Is Gandalf now the best program and say Steen ... hey my program must play
>>>against Kramnik :-))
>>
>>It isn't the best.
>>
>>>I don`t know !
>>
>>I do.
>>
>>What is interesting Frank is by your own rating list Fritz 6 and
>>Deep Fritz are #1 and #2. While Gandalf is 4.
>>Funny you see the argument based on your rating list for Gandalf
>>but not for Fritz?..hmmm.
>
>Hi Sarah,
>
>yes, Gandalf is not the number one in my list, Fritz is the number one. Fritz 6a
>must now play against Little Goliath and Gambit-Tiger. Fritz losed against
>Gromit with 3:5 ! Fritz have problems against LGoliath and I believe that Fritz
>lose ELO in my next calculation.
>
>Example:
>
>Gandalf have not very big problems against Fritz, clear more as 50% !
>But Fritz is better as Gandalf when I added all results, also against amateur
>programs in my list.
>
>What do you thinking about one match:
>
>Chess Tiger beat Shredder with 40:20 !
>This allone is not interesting, this allone say me Shredder have problems
>against Chess Tiger, not more Sarah !


I agree of course.


>And now the following questions:
>If Enrique the latest tourney played with Gromit and Goliath, do you think that
>Fritz also won the tourney ?


Actually if enough games are played yes. But the point being noted in the
other example works.


>This is the question.
>We have 5 very very strong programs, in my opinion:
>
>Shredder, Tiger, Gandalf, Junior and Fritz (maybe Chessmaster and Rebel have
>here not enough results).
>
>All this programs play better or not better vs. program a or b. So Crafty have
>big problems against Fritz not against Gandalf and and and ...
>
>No person can sure say program x is the best program Sarah. We all have not the
>playing strong for say this, OK I say in the past that Gandalf is the best
>program ... also not right, more because I like this program and I have very
>good results to say this, but is not 100% right.


If the organizers wish to use SMP 8 cpu's IMO there are only 4 choices.
Deep Fritz, Deep Junior, Deep Shredder and SMP Crafty.
Crafty performs very well in the human comp area check out ICC sometime.

There is time to run a tournament which will determine which program comp
v comp is stronger. This will not tell us which will do better against a human,
but under the assumption that organizing an event in which humans also play
isn't viable due to time limitations, it's the best we have.

And as it would be a comp v comp comparison I would change to Deep Fritz v Deep
Junior as Shredder will not meet the conditions and Crafty will not win such a
comp v comp match IMO.

Sarah.




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