Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 23:41:03 04/14/01
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On April 14, 2001 at 17:49:49, Rajen Gupta wrote: >On April 14, 2001 at 17:25:10, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On April 14, 2001 at 17:08:43, Rajen Gupta wrote: >> >>>i've noticed ever since i've been following computer chess that there is a >>>programming cycle at the end of which a particular programme gets exhausted and >>>then reaches a plateau.presumably the programmer has milked everything possible >>>from the programming technique he uses for his programme, after which unless he >>>tries something new, there is a flat line.this is esp true for the >>>champions-once a champion has lost his crown, he never makes a comeback; remains >>>a has been-genius; mcpro; rebel; hiarcs, >> now fritz is struggling to retain its >>>top spot with the twin assault from the 2 tigers! >> >>I do not see it. >>Genius was top programs for years and I believe that the reason it stopped to be >>a top program is the fact that richard lang stopped to develop his program. >HI URI: > >DID IT STOP IMPROVING BECAUSE HE STOPPED DEVELOPING IT OR IS IT THE OTHER WAY >ROUND AS MOST PEOPLE THINK? HE CONTINUES TO DEVELOP GENIUS FOR HAND HELDS >THOUGH, WHERE THERE ISN'T MUCH HEAT ! GENIUS 3 WAS THE BEST BUT HE SUBSEQUENTLY >RELEASED 4, 5. 6 AND 6.5 ALL OF WHICH WERE SAME OR SLIGHTLY WEAKER THAN G3 > >REBEL 8 WAS NUMBER 1 AND ALL SUBSEQUENT REBELS HAVE REMAINED ROUGHLY SAME >STRENGHTH. > >MCP MAY NOT HAVE BEEN 1 BUT BUT IT WAS 2 AND IT FAILED TO IMPROVE AFTER NUMBER >6.IT HAS NOW CEASED PRODUCTION. M-Chess Pro. was no. 1 in 1995 winning every tournament and being no. 1 in the SSDF list. It was improved in version 6, 7 and 8, but not enough because Marty could not work on it due to personal problems. After that it stop working on his program. The best version however is 8.70 which was never released. The problem is that when you reach such a top level you need to work only on the chess engine to make it better. To work only on free time is not enough! This is the real problem!! Sandro Necchi > >NIMZO 7.32 AND 8 ARE EXACTLY EQUAL. CHESSMASTER 5000 ONWARDS I GUESS ARE >BASICALLY UNIMPROVED. > >FRTIZ HAS CERTAINLY NOT REACHED A WALL AND MAY CONTINUE AT NUMBER 1 FOR A LONG >TIME BUT LIKE ALL OTHERS WILL EVENTUALLY REACH A WALL-MY PREDICTION. > >ONE GOOD THING I LIKE ABOUT HIARCS IS THAT IT RELEASES NEWER VERSIONS ONLY IF >THEY ARE STRONGER THAN THE PLDER ONES UNLIKE SOME OF THE ''TOP PROGRAMMERS'' WHO >KEEP RELEASING THE SAME OLD WINE IN NEW BOTTLES EVERY YEAR. > >RAJEN >> >>Mchesspro or Rebel were not number 1 in computer chess. >> >>After Genius came Fritz and it is basically number 1 for years. >> >>Chessmaster,Hiarcs and tiger were in the top of the ssdf list for a short time >>but most of the time Fritz is number 1. >> >>Fritz is often number 1 with a significant difference in rating relative to >>other programs when other programs became number 1 with only a small difference. >> >>I also expect Deep fritz to fight for the top with the tigers. >>The tigers are better at blitz but based on results that I saw in the rebel site >>the difference is smaller at longer time control and it is not clear if the >>tigers are better than Deep Fritz at tournament time control(we need >>to wait for the ssdf) >> >>I do not see the wall of Fritz and I expect it to continue to get better, >>> >>>wonder who's going to displace chris theron in 2-3 yrs time? >> >> >>I wonder if Tiger is going to be better than Fritz. >>Even if tiger is better than Deep Fritz on one processor tiger is newer than >>Fritz so it has the advantage. >> >>Tiger12 also topped the ssdf list because the version that was tested at that >>time was Fritz5.32 and not Fritz6a. >> >>Program that is newer by some monthes have the advantage so even if Tiger is >>better than Deep Fritz it does not mean that tiger is better than Fritz engine >>of 2.4.2001 >> >>Uri
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