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Subject: Re: Deep Shredder vs. Vladimir Kramnik ... what thinking the programmers of

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 00:29:44 04/15/01

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On April 14, 2001 at 09:22:39, Rajen Gupta wrote:

>On April 14, 2001 at 06:31:18, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>it is a very interesting match.
>>World Champion Vladimir Kramnik vs. Computer World Champion 1996, 1999, 2000 and
>>IPCCC Champion 2000, 2001 Shredder.
>
>YES IT WILL BE INTERESTING NO MATTER WHETHER DF DJ OR DS PLAY
>>
>>I don`t believe that a winner from a living room tournament can play against WM
>>Vladmir Kramnik. The "Donald Duck" qualifikation in a "Micky Mouse" tournament
>>is not interesting.
>
>YOU MIGHT THINK ITS MICKWEYMOUSE AND DONALD DUCK BUT THE REST OF US ARE QUITE
>HAPPY ABOUT IT

I agree.

>>
>>Compare to:
>>Frank Quisinsky play a WinBoard tourney at home and the winner can play against
>>Kasparov :-))
>
>NOT QUITE THE SAME:ENRIQUE IRAZOQUI TESTING PROGRAMMES ANFD SELECTING THE BEST
>ONE IS A BIT DIFFERENT FROM YOU PLAYING A WINBOARD TOURNAMENT. AS FAR AS
>CREDIBILITY AND RECOGNITION GO THE 2 OF YOU ARE NOT QUITE IN THE SAME LEAGUE,
>I'M SORRY TO SAY

Yes, I think he his good in this, but again he only has COMMERCIAL versions, so
cannot know the ultimate tournament version how strong it is!!!!!

>>
>>Shredder won all important tournaments and I think it is not a question which
>>program can / must play against Vladimir Kramnik.
>
>IT IS THE A QUESTION. IT MUST PROVE TO BE THE STRONGEST MULTIPROCESSOR ENGINE
>AROUND BEFORE IT CAN PLAY SOMEONE OF THE CALIBER OF VLAD.(IF IT IS THE BEST
>PROGRAM THEN OBVIOUSLY IT WILL DISPOSE OF DF AND DJ ANYWAY, SO WHATS THE PROBLEM

I do not agree. It is a matter of matching the world champion against the world
champion.
If the world champion was program X, program X would have the right to match
it!!

Sandro Necchi
>>
>>The question for me is now:
>>If Enrique play a quallification tournament I can`t believe that the TOP
>>programmer will start on this tournament. In the regular tournaments no program
>>can beat Shredder after now 33 games. So I think for the top programmers is also
>>clear which program must play against Vladimir Kramnik.
>
>ARE YOU CASTING ASPERTIONS ON ENRIQUES INTEGRITY OR HIS HONESTY? DO YOU DOUBT
>THAT ENRIQUE WILL BE UNFAIR-THE REST OF US DONT
>>
>>Now we will see ...
>>I lose my interest on computer chess if I see that Shredder can`t not play
>>directly against Vladimir Kramnik.
>
>YOU MIGHT LOSE INTEREST BUT MAJORITY OF US WONT
>>
>>But interesting is:
>>After the big event Shredder vs. Kramnik a living room tournament is good enough
>>for play after the game 1 blitz game against Vladimir Kramnik :-))
>>
>>What thinking the members of CCC.
>>I wonder if the most member have an other opinion.
>
>WE ARE QUITE EAGER TO SEE THIS MATH AND THINK THAT ENRIQUE IS HE BEST PERSON TO
>JUDGE WHICH PROGRAMME TO PLAY.WHILE TIGER AND GAMBIT MAY BE THE STRONGEST ON 1
>PROCESSOR,DF AND DJ HAVE PROVED THEMSELVES TIME AND AGAIN IN MAN VS MACHINE
>MATCHES>
>>What thinking the programmer of Junior, Fritz, Gandalf, The King, Rebel, Hiarcs,
>>Nimzo, Shredder, Tiger !
>>
>>Yes Christophe, Ed, Amir what do you think:
>>
>>Do you think I will play vs. Vladimir Kramnik or do you think no Shredder must
>>play against Vladimir Kramnik.
>>
>>Best
>>Frank



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