Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 02:25:15 04/15/01
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On April 14, 2001 at 22:27:28, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 14, 2001 at 21:54:01, Chessfun wrote: > >>On April 14, 2001 at 21:44:45, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>On April 14, 2001 at 21:29:07, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On April 14, 2001 at 19:14:48, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>>> >>>>>i have also enough results :-) >>>>> >>>>>Example (Gandalf) at the moment: >>>>>54% vs. Fritz 6a / Deep Fritz >>>>>69% vs. Nimzo 2000b / 7-32 / 8 >>>>>56% vs. Junior 6a >>>>>46% vs. Shredder 5.0 >>>>>48% vs. Chess Tiger 13.0 >>>>>55% vs. Gambit-Tiger 1.0 >>>>> >>>>>Results with longer time controls from different people !! >>>> >>>>Amazing results, they certainly look nothing like mine. >>>>How many games from each make up these percentages, what are the >>>>time controls, computers etc, source of the games. etc. >>> >>>You have a chance to visit all computer chess fora and you can also make a >>>notice. I must not search all results the long day. You know the Gandalf Beta >>>test forum, visit my webpage, the Gambit-Soft forum. All is not a problem. >>> >>>>>Is Gandalf now the best program and say Steen ... hey my program must play >>>>>against Kramnik :-)) >>>> >>>>It isn't the best. >>>> >>>>>I don`t know ! >>>> >>>>I do. >>>> >>>>What is interesting Frank is by your own rating list Fritz 6 and >>>>Deep Fritz are #1 and #2. While Gandalf is 4. >>>>Funny you see the argument based on your rating list for Gandalf >>>>but not for Fritz?..hmmm. >>> >>>Hi Sarah, >>> >>>yes, Gandalf is not the number one in my list, Fritz is the number one. Fritz 6a >>>must now play against Little Goliath and Gambit-Tiger. Fritz losed against >>>Gromit with 3:5 ! Fritz have problems against LGoliath and I believe that Fritz >>>lose ELO in my next calculation. >>> >>>Example: >>> >>>Gandalf have not very big problems against Fritz, clear more as 50% ! >>>But Fritz is better as Gandalf when I added all results, also against amateur >>>programs in my list. >>> >>>What do you thinking about one match: >>> >>>Chess Tiger beat Shredder with 40:20 ! >>>This allone is not interesting, this allone say me Shredder have problems >>>against Chess Tiger, not more Sarah ! >> >> >>I agree of course. >> >> >>>And now the following questions: >>>If Enrique the latest tourney played with Gromit and Goliath, do you think that >>>Fritz also won the tourney ? >> >> >>Actually if enough games are played yes. But the point being noted in the >>other example works. >> >> >>>This is the question. >>>We have 5 very very strong programs, in my opinion: >>> >>>Shredder, Tiger, Gandalf, Junior and Fritz (maybe Chessmaster and Rebel have >>>here not enough results). >>> >>>All this programs play better or not better vs. program a or b. So Crafty have >>>big problems against Fritz not against Gandalf and and and ... >>> >>>No person can sure say program x is the best program Sarah. We all have not the >>>playing strong for say this, OK I say in the past that Gandalf is the best >>>program ... also not right, more because I like this program and I have very >>>good results to say this, but is not 100% right. >> >> >>If the organizers wish to use SMP 8 cpu's IMO there are only 4 choices. >>Deep Fritz, Deep Junior, Deep Shredder and SMP Crafty. >>Crafty performs very well in the human comp area check out ICC sometime. >> >>There is time to run a tournament which will determine which program comp >>v comp is stronger. This will not tell us which will do better against a human, >>but under the assumption that organizing an event in which humans also play >>isn't viable due to time limitations, it's the best we have. >> >>And as it would be a comp v comp comparison I would change to Deep Fritz v Deep >>Junior as Shredder will not meet the conditions and Crafty will not win such a >>comp v comp match IMO. >> >>Sarah. > >1)Ferret can be also invited to the tournament. >It is an SMP program > >2)Crafty can win such a comp comp match if it gets a good alpha. >I understood that a good alpha is faster then SMP 8 CPU's and if Crafty can get >more than one processor on a good alpha it is going to have an hardware >advantage(I think that Fritz,Junior and Shredder cannot use the alpha so it is >not unfair to give Crafty the hardware advantage). > >Uri Hi Uri, I think also, I hope in the future I can play with Ferret Eng-Eng matches. I replay the Ferret games for 2 years and I think also Ferret can win each WM. Crafty is also very strong. In my CCE tourney Crafty have big problems against Fritz. I see that Bobs current version is maybe 100-150 better as older 15.x versions. The most people thinking only little improvments in the Crafty versions, but little and good improvments. Best Frank
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