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Subject: Re: Latest millenium news?

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 02:25:15 04/15/01

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On April 14, 2001 at 22:27:28, Uri Blass wrote:

>On April 14, 2001 at 21:54:01, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On April 14, 2001 at 21:44:45, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>
>>>On April 14, 2001 at 21:29:07, Chessfun wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 14, 2001 at 19:14:48, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>i have also enough results :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Example (Gandalf) at the moment:
>>>>>54% vs. Fritz 6a / Deep Fritz
>>>>>69% vs. Nimzo 2000b / 7-32 / 8
>>>>>56% vs. Junior 6a
>>>>>46% vs. Shredder 5.0
>>>>>48% vs. Chess Tiger 13.0
>>>>>55% vs. Gambit-Tiger 1.0
>>>>>
>>>>>Results with longer time controls from different people !!
>>>>
>>>>Amazing results, they certainly look nothing like mine.
>>>>How many games from each make up these percentages, what are the
>>>>time controls, computers etc, source of the games. etc.
>>>
>>>You have a chance to visit all computer chess fora and you can also make a
>>>notice. I must not search all results the long day. You know the Gandalf Beta
>>>test forum, visit my webpage, the Gambit-Soft forum. All is not a problem.
>>>
>>>>>Is Gandalf now the best program and say Steen ... hey my program must play
>>>>>against Kramnik :-))
>>>>
>>>>It isn't the best.
>>>>
>>>>>I don`t know !
>>>>
>>>>I do.
>>>>
>>>>What is interesting Frank is by your own rating list Fritz 6 and
>>>>Deep Fritz are #1 and #2. While Gandalf is 4.
>>>>Funny you see the argument based on your rating list for Gandalf
>>>>but not for Fritz?..hmmm.
>>>
>>>Hi Sarah,
>>>
>>>yes, Gandalf is not the number one in my list, Fritz is the number one. Fritz 6a
>>>must now play against Little Goliath and Gambit-Tiger. Fritz losed against
>>>Gromit with 3:5 ! Fritz have problems against LGoliath and I believe that Fritz
>>>lose ELO in my next calculation.
>>>
>>>Example:
>>>
>>>Gandalf have not very big problems against Fritz, clear more as 50% !
>>>But Fritz is better as Gandalf when I added all results, also against amateur
>>>programs in my list.
>>>
>>>What do you thinking about one match:
>>>
>>>Chess Tiger beat Shredder with 40:20 !
>>>This allone is not interesting, this allone say me Shredder have problems
>>>against Chess Tiger, not more Sarah !
>>
>>
>>I agree of course.
>>
>>
>>>And now the following questions:
>>>If Enrique the latest tourney played with Gromit and Goliath, do you think that
>>>Fritz also won the tourney ?
>>
>>
>>Actually if enough games are played yes. But the point being noted in the
>>other example works.
>>
>>
>>>This is the question.
>>>We have 5 very very strong programs, in my opinion:
>>>
>>>Shredder, Tiger, Gandalf, Junior and Fritz (maybe Chessmaster and Rebel have
>>>here not enough results).
>>>
>>>All this programs play better or not better vs. program a or b. So Crafty have
>>>big problems against Fritz not against Gandalf and and and ...
>>>
>>>No person can sure say program x is the best program Sarah. We all have not the
>>>playing strong for say this, OK I say in the past that Gandalf is the best
>>>program ... also not right, more because I like this program and I have very
>>>good results to say this, but is not 100% right.
>>
>>
>>If the organizers wish to use SMP 8 cpu's IMO there are only 4 choices.
>>Deep Fritz, Deep Junior, Deep Shredder and SMP Crafty.
>>Crafty performs very well in the human comp area check out ICC sometime.
>>
>>There is time to run a tournament which will determine which program comp
>>v comp is stronger. This will not tell us which will do better against a human,
>>but under the assumption that organizing an event in which humans also play
>>isn't viable due to time limitations, it's the best we have.
>>
>>And as it would be a comp v comp comparison I would change to Deep Fritz v Deep
>>Junior as Shredder will not meet the conditions and Crafty will not win such a
>>comp v comp match IMO.
>>
>>Sarah.
>
>1)Ferret can be also invited to the tournament.
>It is an SMP program
>
>2)Crafty can win such a comp comp match if it gets a good alpha.
>I understood that a good alpha is faster then SMP 8 CPU's and if Crafty can get
>more than one processor on a good alpha it is going to have an hardware
>advantage(I think that Fritz,Junior and Shredder cannot use the alpha so it is
>not unfair to give Crafty the hardware advantage).
>
>Uri


Hi Uri,

I think also, I hope in the future I can play with Ferret Eng-Eng matches. I
replay the Ferret games for 2 years and I think also Ferret can win each WM.
Crafty is also very strong. In my CCE tourney Crafty have big problems against
Fritz. I see that Bobs current version is maybe 100-150 better as older 15.x
versions. The most people thinking only little improvments in the Crafty
versions, but little and good improvments.

Best
Frank



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