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Subject: Re: programmers and the wall

Author: Tony Werten

Date: 03:06:16 04/15/01

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On April 15, 2001 at 04:35:22, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On April 14, 2001 at 18:22:21, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On April 14, 2001 at 17:49:49, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>
>>>On April 14, 2001 at 17:25:10, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 14, 2001 at 17:08:43, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>i've noticed ever since i've been following computer chess that there is a
>>>>>programming cycle at the end of which a particular programme gets exhausted and
>>>>>then reaches a plateau.presumably the programmer has milked everything possible
>>>>>from the programming technique he uses for his programme, after which unless he
>>>>>tries something new, there is a flat line.this is esp true for the
>>>>>champions-once a champion has lost his crown, he never makes a comeback; remains
>>>>>a has been-genius; mcpro; rebel; hiarcs,
>>>> now fritz is struggling to retain its
>>>>>top spot with the twin assault from the 2 tigers!
>>>>
>>>>I do not see it.
>>>>Genius was top programs for years and I believe that the reason it stopped to be
>>>>a top program is the fact that richard lang stopped to develop his program.
>>>HI URI:
>>>
>>>DID IT STOP IMPROVING BECAUSE HE STOPPED DEVELOPING IT OR IS IT THE OTHER WAY
>>>ROUND AS MOST PEOPLE THINK? HE CONTINUES TO DEVELOP GENIUS FOR HAND HELDS
>>>THOUGH, WHERE THERE ISN'T MUCH HEAT ! GENIUS 3 WAS THE BEST BUT HE SUBSEQUENTLY
>>>RELEASED 4, 5. 6 AND 6.5 ALL OF WHICH WERE SAME OR SLIGHTLY WEAKER THAN G3
>>
>>I do not think that he continued to develop it.
>>I think that he sold people the illusion that he continued to develop it.
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>
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>I think that Weiner sold this illusion to people.

Hmm, so my urge to check if my wallet is still in my pants whenever I see him is
grounded somewhere ? I thought I was just a bad person.

Tony

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>
>    Christophe
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>>>REBEL 8 WAS NUMBER 1 AND ALL SUBSEQUENT REBELS HAVE REMAINED ROUGHLY SAME
>>>STRENGHTH.
>>
>>Did you test Century3 against Rebel8 in order to find out?
>>>
>>>MCP MAY NOT HAVE BEEN 1 BUT BUT IT WAS 2 AND IT FAILED TO IMPROVE AFTER NUMBER
>>>6.IT HAS NOW CEASED PRODUCTION.
>>>
>>>NIMZO 7.32 AND 8 ARE EXACTLY EQUAL. CHESSMASTER 5000 ONWARDS I GUESS ARE
>>>BASICALLY UNIMPROVED.
>>>
>>>FRTIZ HAS CERTAINLY NOT REACHED A WALL AND MAY CONTINUE AT NUMBER 1 FOR A LONG
>>>TIME BUT LIKE ALL OTHERS WILL EVENTUALLY REACH A WALL-MY PREDICTION.
>>>
>>>ONE GOOD THING I LIKE ABOUT HIARCS IS THAT IT RELEASES NEWER VERSIONS ONLY IF
>>>THEY ARE STRONGER THAN THE PLDER ONES UNLIKE SOME OF THE ''TOP PROGRAMMERS'' WHO
>>>KEEP RELEASING THE SAME OLD WINE IN NEW BOTTLES EVERY YEAR.
>>
>>It is the same for Junior.
>>
>>Uri



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