Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 03:48:54 04/15/01
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On April 14, 2001 at 21:54:01, Chessfun wrote: >On April 14, 2001 at 21:44:45, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>On April 14, 2001 at 21:29:07, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On April 14, 2001 at 19:14:48, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>> >>>>i have also enough results :-) >>>> >>>>Example (Gandalf) at the moment: >>>>54% vs. Fritz 6a / Deep Fritz >>>>69% vs. Nimzo 2000b / 7-32 / 8 >>>>56% vs. Junior 6a >>>>46% vs. Shredder 5.0 >>>>48% vs. Chess Tiger 13.0 >>>>55% vs. Gambit-Tiger 1.0 >>>> >>>>Results with longer time controls from different people !! >>> >>>Amazing results, they certainly look nothing like mine. >>>How many games from each make up these percentages, what are the >>>time controls, computers etc, source of the games. etc. >> >>You have a chance to visit all computer chess fora and you can also make a >>notice. I must not search all results the long day. You know the Gandalf Beta >>test forum, visit my webpage, the Gambit-Soft forum. All is not a problem. >> >>>>Is Gandalf now the best program and say Steen ... hey my program must play >>>>against Kramnik :-)) >>> >>>It isn't the best. >>> >>>>I don`t know ! >>> >>>I do. >>> >>>What is interesting Frank is by your own rating list Fritz 6 and >>>Deep Fritz are #1 and #2. While Gandalf is 4. >>>Funny you see the argument based on your rating list for Gandalf >>>but not for Fritz?..hmmm. >> >>Hi Sarah, >> >>yes, Gandalf is not the number one in my list, Fritz is the number one. Fritz 6a >>must now play against Little Goliath and Gambit-Tiger. Fritz losed against >>Gromit with 3:5 ! Fritz have problems against LGoliath and I believe that Fritz >>lose ELO in my next calculation. >> >>Example: >> >>Gandalf have not very big problems against Fritz, clear more as 50% ! >>But Fritz is better as Gandalf when I added all results, also against amateur >>programs in my list. >> >>What do you thinking about one match: >> >>Chess Tiger beat Shredder with 40:20 ! >>This allone is not interesting, this allone say me Shredder have problems >>against Chess Tiger, not more Sarah ! > > >I agree of course. > > >>And now the following questions: >>If Enrique the latest tourney played with Gromit and Goliath, do you think that >>Fritz also won the tourney ? > > >Actually if enough games are played yes. But the point being noted in the >other example works. > > >>This is the question. >>We have 5 very very strong programs, in my opinion: >> >>Shredder, Tiger, Gandalf, Junior and Fritz (maybe Chessmaster and Rebel have >>here not enough results). >> >>All this programs play better or not better vs. program a or b. So Crafty have >>big problems against Fritz not against Gandalf and and and ... >> >>No person can sure say program x is the best program Sarah. We all have not the >>playing strong for say this, OK I say in the past that Gandalf is the best >>program ... also not right, more because I like this program and I have very >>good results to say this, but is not 100% right. > > >If the organizers wish to use SMP 8 cpu's IMO there are only 4 choices. >Deep Fritz, Deep Junior, Deep Shredder and SMP Crafty. >Crafty performs very well in the human comp area check out ICC sometime. The organizers makes profit with chess programs. We are in the position to say ... no ! Not SMP better are all programs. Sarah, not the organizers, we have all in the hand. >There is time to run a tournament which will determine which program comp >v comp is stronger. This will not tell us which will do better against a human, >but under the assumption that organizing an event in which humans also play >isn't viable due to time limitations, it's the best we have. I have here an other opinion. >And as it would be a comp v comp comparison I would change to Deep Fritz v Deep >Junior as Shredder will not meet the conditions and Crafty will not win such a >comp v comp match IMO. Crafty is very strong but not one of the strongest programs in the World. We can say the World Master 1996, 1999, 2000, IPCCC Champion 2000, 2001 and CCT Champion Shredder ist the best program for a match against Kramnik ! What can the organizers bringing for arguments against this text ? It is so clear Sarah that I cann`t see a reason for more messages. Example: Christophe Thereon won all this tourneys in the last years. What did you think what Christophe say ? Ed Schröder won all this tourneys in the last years. What did you think what Ed say ? And Jörg Burwitz make changes in his Diogenes GUI. Now Jörg Burwitz can say, hey I make changes in my GUI and my program must playing against Kramnik :-)) Your comment now: Good luck Jörg :-)) Sorry, not fair my comment now but this commment from you (Blitz WM) was good :-)) Best Frank
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