Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 09:42:05 04/15/01
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On April 15, 2001 at 09:38:15, Chessfun wrote: >On April 15, 2001 at 03:05:47, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>On April 14, 2001 at 21:11:41, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On April 14, 2001 at 18:06:44, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>> >>>>Hello Christophe, >>>> >>>>the first, a good answere ! >>>> >>>>>I have already given my point of view on this issue. >>>> >>>>This is right. >>>> >>>>>In short: >>>>>1) I still do not understand the arbitrary choice of Deep Fritz, Deep Junior and >>>>>Deep Shredder >>>> >>>>I agreed full with you ! >>> >>> >>>That isn't what I've been reading till now. >>> >>> >>>>>2) Why is the winner of such a closed tournament supposed to perform the best >>>>>against a player of a totally different kind? >>>> >>>>Also this is right ! >>>> >>>>But which qualification is better as all the tourneys which Shredder won ? >>>>We have no a better compare ! >>> >>> >>>If we look at the facts forget all thse other titles you keep claiming Frank, >>>Shredder only won one as a SMP machine. So, you have a program that should play >>>after winning one 10 round or so tourney?. >> >>Shredder tournament version won all the tournaments since 1999! No other >>tournament version did the same. These are facts, the rest are words. >>Also you do not have our latest version. How can you know how strong is Deep >>Shredder now? >> >>Sandro Necchi > >I do not have either the latest Deep Fritz or Deep Junior version....same thing. > >If you won't comply with the stated rules anyway and the others will, then you >automatically in this case disqualify yourself so regardless of how much better >the current version is to the released version it's mute. I think you are disqualifying the world champion title. that's all. Sandro > >Sarah. > > > > >>> >>>>I wish me we have a better compare but unfortunately we haven´t this. >>>>Time for organize new tournaments, I say this all the years. >>> >>>>>Please note that I do NOT question the integrity of the person chosen to do the >>>>>qualifying tournament (Enrique), and that I do NOT question the fact that these >>>>>programs are very good. >>>> >>>>Yes I full agreed in this poinst. >>>>The question is not Enrique, I think he make the best for all computer chess >>>>fans. But this idea is not good. >>> >>> >>>Why? seems like a perfectly logical thing to me. >>> >>> >>>>>>You can not beat Shredder is a official tourney. So I think you must say ... the >>>>>>best program for a match against Vladimir Kramnik is Shredder. >>>> >>>>>You must be kidding. >>>>> >>>>>Franck, your objectivity was the guaranty of the good quality and interest of >>>>>your tournaments, but obviously this objectivity is fading away. >>>> >>>>No, in this poinst I have my opinion. >>>>I will World Champion 1996, 1999, 2000, IPCCC Champion 2000, 2001 CCT Master >>>>against World Champion Vladimir Kramnik. >>> >>> >>>As I said above irrelevant only one of those was the current SMP version. >>>And as stated at Millennium they won't pay the $5,000.00 nor not allow Stefan's >>>participation, nor allow the three months alone with the program. >>> >>>That being the case why even think of Shredder. The humans have the ball, the >>>computers and the one that want it. The humans will choose the terms of the >>>match and Kramnik has nothing to gain by playing, much to lose by losing. >>>So he will call the shots and if you can't meet his rules he won't play. >>> >>>Since as already noted Shredder will not meet the terms why not just forget >>>Shredder and lets get on with the match. >>> >>> >>>>I will here see not an other program. >>>>This is for me the reward for the fantastic work from Stefan Meyer Kahlen. >>> >>> >>>Reward for the single SMP title? what about the work of others Fritz has >>>led the SSDF almost straight for three years. >>> >>> >>>>>>All other opinions from other chess programmer to this case are own goals. >>>>>>Sorry, but this is clear for me. >>>> >>>>>What is clear to me is that I was referring to the very funny texts you can read >>>>>on the Millennium page. I guess they can fool people with absolutely no computer >>>>>chess background, which might be the case of the majority of people reading this >>>>>pages, maybe. So maybe this kind of propaganda actually works, unfortunately. >>>> >>>>The text on the Millennium webpage is OK for me. >>> >>> >>>I think that says it all. >>> >>> >>>>>What is not clear to me is how you can say things like "You can not beat >>>>>Shredder in an official tourney". What are you trying to do with such a risky >>>>>useless statement? >>> >>>>I have not see a tourney where Tiger make a better result compare to Shredder. >>>>Sorry Christophe, we all know that your program is a monster and playing really >>>>nice chess but this is for the moment not the question. If you have all the >>>>titels what do you say in this point ? >>> >>>Lets face it, the only tourney your interested in is a World Title it don't >>>matter to you have many personal tourneys Shredder loses in. >>>Check Chris Taylors post here; >>>http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?163185 >>>For some recent results. >>> >>> >>>>I am World Champion of the latest years but I think we must play a qualification >>>>tournament with Shredder, Fritz ... >>>> >>>>This is not the right way. >>> >>> >>>In this case Shredder won't meet the conditions so what difference?. >>> >>>Sarah.
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