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Subject: Re: Junior 4.6 vs Fritz 5 Match-Game 1

Author: Harald Faber

Date: 02:25:48 04/02/98

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On April 01, 1998 at 06:17:16, Mark Young wrote:

>>>The programs are running on an autoplayer built into Fritz 5. As far as
>>>I can tell the programs get 100% of the cpu when its there turn to move.
>>>This should be as good or better then running the match on two P 200mmx
>>>computers. So with a 40 move in 3 hour time control this should be a
>>>fair test. Unless there is some unknown problem with the Fritz 5
>>>autoplayer that affects the programs in some way.
>>>
>>>                                                     Mark Young
>>
>>Don't forget the time management in tournament games where permanent
>>brain together with time management lets programs think between ca.3 and
>>35mins for some single move!
>>That is a huge difference I am sure this additional time can't equalize.
>-----------------------------------
>
>You must remember that permanent brain only works if the computer
>guesses the players next move. I find this only happends about 1 out of
>every 3 moves.

Huh, then you have seen other games than I did. Rebel, MCP and Genius
are programs that predict much more moves. Especially MCP profits,
because when making a move at depth=10 he continues thinking at depth=9
(of course with the predicted move) where other programs start
calculating again (also having in mind the opponent's move they await)

>And in computer computer games I have never seen a program do super deep
>thinks in a game as humans some times do.

Really? Which programs did you use?

> The programs are given a lot
>of time to do there searches so the best program should still win. If
>you look at the time stamps on the games that are posted you will see
>that some of the moves are made after 1000 secs. So if the program need
>to do a deep think it has the time to do it. Is this match the same as
>running it on two computers? No but its close.

Hiarcs and MCP are candidates for thinking times of about 20-30mins for
a move. (in tournament games) Believe me, I saw it with my own eyes,
they do think for such a long time. Not frequently but it happens more
often than you think.



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