Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 03:09:57 04/16/01
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On April 16, 2001 at 06:01:34, Hans Christian Lykke wrote: >On April 16, 2001 at 05:33:47, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On April 15, 2001 at 18:44:06, Bertil Eklund wrote: >> >> >>>Here is some news about the upcoming event: >>> >>> >>>- We invited 4 programs: DB and the Deeps of Fritz, Shredder and Junior. >>>"We" is BGN and Enrique Irazoqui, with Bertil Eklund as consultant. >> >>A very nice couple. Both of them just recently called me a hypocrite >>in the CSS forum. My sin: reporting the Odyssey tournament. Reason: >>they dislike Thorsten Czub the organizer of Odyssey. >> >>Why do you mention this Ed? >> >>Because I am in this business too long. Personal dislikes have become >>the keyword expelling Rebel and Tiger. >> >> >>>- DB is obvious. Fritz has been leading everything in computer chess, >> >>Only on SSDF. >> >>Which manual tournament Fritz has won the last 3 years? >> >>Answer: NONE. >> >> >>>short of a Swiss open of 7 rounds that receives the name "world championship". >> >> >>Ridiculous... >> >>There are only 2 programs playing in this world championship. >> >> >> >> >>>Shredder is strong and got the 2 last titles, whatever they mean, although >>>it never topped the SSDF list, never won long tournaments. Junior is also >>>strong, was first in the SSDF list about a year ago, won some long >>>tournaments, achieved a PR of 2702 last year in Dortmund. >> >>Agreed, but then.......... >> >>Tiger 12.0 coming from nothing topped the SSDF list. The new Tiger will >>top your list soon. >> >> >> >>>The rest is either >>>not strong enough or not SMP ready, which means they don't have a chance and >>>their inclusion would only increase randomness. >> >>What an utter nonsense is that. You and Enrique should know better than that. >>It is like Christophe said, all arranged behind the curtains, no way back. >>Discrimination of the worst kind. >> >>In no way it is proven that a multi-processor program is doing better than >>a single-processor program. Just look at the latest Ausfess tournament Tiger >>13.0 (not 14.0) topping above all the multi-processing entries: >> >>================================================== >>Tournament : Aufseß 2001 >>Date : 13/03 to 17/03 >>Type : 9 rounds Swiss >>Time control : 3h/all >> >> 1. Chess-Tiger 13.0 Athlon 1,3 GHz 6.5 46.5 31.75 >> 2. Hiarcs 7.32 Athlon 800 6.5 46.0 32.75 >> 3. CM 6555 Athlon 1,2 GHz 6.0 45.5 29.00 >> 4. SOS 11/2000 Athlon 800 5.5 44.5 26.25 >> 5. Deep Fritz 2x P3 1 GHz 5.5 43.5 26.00 >> 6. Gandalf 4.32h Athlon 1,2 GHz 5.5 36.5 20.25 >> 7. Hiarcs 7.01 Athlon 1,0 5.0 45.0 24.00 >> 8. Gambit-Tiger 1.0 P3-840 5.0 44.0 22.25 >> 9. Shredder5 Erbsenzähler P3-1000 5.0 41.5 20.25 >>10. Deep Shredder 2x P3-935 5.0 41.0 20.25 >>11. Deep Junior 2x Athlon 1Ghz 5.0 40.5 18.50 >>12. Century 3.0 P3-866 4.5 45.5 21.25 >>13. Junior 6 Athlon 1,2 GHz 4.5 38.5 16.75 >>14. Triple-Brain 2 x Celeron 500 4.0 36.5 13.25 >>15. Shredder 5 Athlon 1,2 GHz 4.0 36.0 13.00 >>16. Fritz 6 P2-400 3.5 44.5 16.00 >>17. The King 2.54 P4-1300 3.5 38.0 14.25 >>18. Genius 6,5 P3-800 3.5 36.5 12.00 >>19. Nimzo 8 Athlon 1 GHz 3.0 36.0 10.75 >>20. Goliath Light Exp. Athlon 1,2 3.0 35.0 10.25 >>21. M- Chess 7.1 P3-500 2.5 35.0 8.25 >>22. CM 8000 Athlon 1,2 GHz 2.5 35.0 8.00 >>==================================== >> >>The URL: www.rebel.nl/r11-resu.htm >> >>For once have a look at this complete victory list and tell me which program >>has won so much tournaments? Answer: ONLY Chess Tiger! And you want to expel >>this program??? >> >>Another example is Paderborn 1999 the world championship all classes >>Shredder winning the tournament on a poor Pentium 550 above all the >>multi-processor entries: >> >>. Junior 4 x 500 Mhz >>. Fritz 4 x 500 Mhz >>. Ferret 4 x 400 Mhz >>. Cilkchess 240 x Alpha at 250 Mhz >>. P.ConNerS 186 x PII 450 Mhz >>. Zugzwang 512 x Alpha at 300 Mhz >> >>Bertil, you called me a hyprocrite in the CSS forum. Here on CCC you accused >>me of a campaigning against the SSDF. In email I asked you why I deserved >>such a public insult. You have ignored the email. >> >>It smells Bertil. And all of this because I am reporting Odyssey? I find >>this very very hard to believe. >> >>Furthermore I have seen the SSDF tester Lykke proudly announcing here on CCC >>his Deep Fritz - Deep Shredder game listed on the ChessBase site all well >>nicely documented with pictures, a clear case of an endorsement. > >Please, Ed. Are you paranoid. Thank you. I will add this one to my growing list. >A have nothing running with Chessbase. They contacted me, and ask friendly if >the might publice the game Shredder-Deep Fritz 2hours/move. That is the point, you should have said NO. You are not in the position to say yes. Ed >They also asked for some pictures/data. I send them some. >If the Shredder company (Millenium, have asked, they could have done the same. >And I would have published the link too. >Venlig hilsen >Hans Christian Lykke > > > > > > And now >>this... What on earth are you doing??? You are killing your own creditability >>as SSDF as these kind of things are seriously questioning your status of >>being independant and are giving your known opponents only more ammunition >>to shoot. >> >>I can not believe this is really happening. >> >>Ed >> >> >>>- Which program is stronger against humans? Who knows and who says they do >>>differently in comp-comp as opposed to human-comp. Besides, a "candidates" >>>with 20 programs and 20 first rate GMs that consists of enough games takes >>>ages and a huge amount of money nobody mentioned. >>> >>>- The "Qualifiers" will be played in a public place (by the way, beautiful, >>>with a great view over the bay :) ) >>> >>>- Programmers will send their latest babies and books, and all settings will >>>follow their instructions. >>> >>>- An international arbiter will be present for the event in case DS >>>participates. Otherwise the other two programmers don't seem to require an >>>arbiter. >>> >>>- But just in case, Bertil Eklund has been invited for the event. >>> >>>- The Cadaqués event is not to be hold in "closed session". In fact, >>>journalists, arbiter and other visitors will be present. Press and Internet >>>coverage will be substantial. >>> >>>- Programmers are free to develop their engines until October 1st, provided >>>that they will send regular updates to Kramnik. The idea is to avoid the >>>DB-Kasparov scenario, in which Kasparov had no idea of the opponent. >>> >>>- The entry fee will be returned to the programmers that won't win the >>>Qualifiers. >>> >>>- If a programmer feels entitled to play a given human player, he is more >>>than welcome to organize the match and find the funds. >>> >>>Bertil
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