Author: Mark Young
Date: 03:59:21 04/02/98
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On April 02, 1998 at 05:25:48, Harald Faber wrote: >On April 01, 1998 at 06:17:16, Mark Young wrote: > >>>>The programs are running on an autoplayer built into Fritz 5. As far as >>>>I can tell the programs get 100% of the cpu when its there turn to move. >>>>This should be as good or better then running the match on two P 200mmx >>>>computers. So with a 40 move in 3 hour time control this should be a >>>>fair test. Unless there is some unknown problem with the Fritz 5 >>>>autoplayer that affects the programs in some way. >>>> >>>> Mark Young >>> >>>Don't forget the time management in tournament games where permanent >>>brain together with time management lets programs think between ca.3 and >>>35mins for some single move! >>>That is a huge difference I am sure this additional time can't equalize. >>----------------------------------- >> >>You must remember that permanent brain only works if the computer >>guesses the players next move. I find this only happends about 1 out of >>every 3 moves. > >Huh, then you have seen other games than I did. Rebel, MCP and Genius >are programs that predict much more moves. Especially MCP profits, >because when making a move at depth=10 he continues thinking at depth=9 >(of course with the predicted move) where other programs start >calculating again (also having in mind the opponent's move they await) > >>And in computer computer games I have never seen a program do super deep >>thinks in a game as humans some times do. > >Really? Which programs did you use? > >> The programs are given a lot >>of time to do there searches so the best program should still win. If >>you look at the time stamps on the games that are posted you will see >>that some of the moves are made after 1000 secs. So if the program need >>to do a deep think it has the time to do it. Is this match the same as >>running it on two computers? No but its close. > >Hiarcs and MCP are candidates for thinking times of about 20-30mins for >a move. (in tournament games) Believe me, I saw it with my own eyes, >they do think for such a long time. Not frequently but it happens more >often than you think. --------------------------------------------- Really? Which programs did you use? I have tested most programs. I just have never seen a program think for 30 min or more on a move at 40 /2hr. That does not mean it can not happen. I just have not see it. And a 33% hit ration is about avg. for permenent brain hits. But yes I have seen it much higher. If the game is mostly tactics you my get over 50% hits. Some programs seem to be much better at permenent brain hits then others. I agree Rebel seem to be good at it. Other programs seem to do less well.
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