Author: Uri Blass
Date: 14:32:13 04/16/01
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On April 16, 2001 at 16:24:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 16, 2001 at 14:58:08, Chris Taylor wrote: > >>On April 16, 2001 at 14:14:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2001 at 13:21:21, Chris Taylor wrote: >>> >>>>Let the single chip programs play. If confidence is so high that they are not >>>>good enough, then fine. They are swept aside! But at least they have had their >>>>chance! Ed has got a good program, so Does Christophe. Not to mention a score >>>>of other programs, that given the chance to play, will at least be there! To >>>>exclude them from the start of the race, is strange. Unless of course it has >>>>all been decided. Hows' that for a selective search? >>>>If the likes of Rebel Century or The Tigers, fail to qualify, at least you will >>>>have the "Strongest" to go on and play Kramnik. And the people who say they were >>>>not strong enough, will be able to say "Told you so" If one of the single chip >>>>programs does win through, it will be because they had the opportunity >>>>to take part. >>>> >>>>Chris Taylor >>> >>> >>>I totally disagree. There is exactly _one_ program that should be playing >>>Kramnik. Shredder. Shredder has won all of the recent computer chess >>>tournaments. It is the current world champion. There is _absolutely_ no >>>reason to suggest that a playoff for the right to play Kramnik is needed. In >>>fact, the suggestion is really insulting to SMK and Shredder. If a program >>>didn't participate in the last WMCCC event, then I conclude that Shredder is >>>better and the author was afraid to participate and lose. And by doing that, >>>he gave up the opportunity to take part in this match. >>> >>>I don't understand why there is _any_ sort of playoff under discussion, other >>>than it is politically/marketing related. yes a newer program might be a bit >>>better than the older Shredder that won the last WMCCC. But the new Shredder >>>could well be better than that. closed-door back room tournaments are _not_ >>>the way to handle this. >>> >>>The idea is embarassing, to say the least. When we won the 1983 WCCC event, >>>nobody questioned who should play David Levy that year. The same logic should >>>apply now, and SMK/Shredder should play, whether he uses a 486/33 or an 8-way >>>xeon/900. >>> >>>Seems that commercial computer chess companies are just as bloodthirsty now as >>>they were 20 years ago. And have just as few principles now as then. >> >>My only concern was the exclusion of certain programs, simply because they limp >>on one leg? >> >>I agree with you, that Shredder is World Champ, and should shoot for Kramnik! >>Since it appears that this will not happen? Sadly, a tounament will be played, >>the deed is done. But only for the exclusive few? To all the rest, not even a >>look in. Strange how Shredder can be let down, as well? >> >>Just me 10 penneth >> >>Chris Taylor > > >Just goes to show that the world isn't always fair. :( I generally try >to remember such things, and at some point, the "other side" will need some >help. But not from me. I can't believe any of this mess is happening. I >would hope the _authors_ of the programs would do the right thing themselves >and simply say "my program won't participate, this is a right earned by >Shredder and it is Shredder or nothing..." I think that it should be agreed before the event and not after the event. I see no reason to assume that winning WCCC or WMCCC give a program a right for something that was not agreed before the event. Uri
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