Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 16:44:36 04/16/01
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On April 16, 2001 at 09:18:58, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>I think we lose now important computer chess tourneys.
>Why we need a computer chess world champion?
>
>When here other programs cann`t beat Shredder we must search ways to create
>other events or is the reason ...
>
>Money, Money, Money
>
>And ...
>I believe chess programmers are bad loser, sorry!
>
>Shredder won all important tourneys and must play against Kramnik!
Bullshit. Please look for Shredder's ranking in this tournament result. And
please look for the ranking of the SMP version of this program.
==================================================
Tournament : Aufseß 2001
Date : 13/03 to 17/03
Type : 9 rounds Swiss
Time control : 3h/all
1. Chess-Tiger 13.0 Athlon 1,3 GHz 6.5 46.5 31.75
2. Hiarcs 7.32 Athlon 800 6.5 46.0 32.75
3. CM 6555 Athlon 1,2 GHz 6.0 45.5 29.00
4. SOS 11/2000 Athlon 800 5.5 44.5 26.25
5. Deep Fritz 2x P3 1 GHz 5.5 43.5 26.00
6. Gandalf 4.32h Athlon 1,2 GHz 5.5 36.5 20.25
7. Hiarcs 7.01 Athlon 1,0 5.0 45.0 24.00
8. Gambit-Tiger 1.0 P3-840 5.0 44.0 22.25
9. Shredder5 Erbsenzähler P3-1000 5.0 41.5 20.25
10. Deep Shredder 2x P3-935 5.0 41.0 20.25
11. Deep Junior 2x Athlon 1Ghz 5.0 40.5 18.50
12. Century 3.0 P3-866 4.5 45.5 21.25
13. Junior 6 Athlon 1,2 GHz 4.5 38.5 16.75
14. Triple-Brain 2 x Celeron 500 4.0 36.5 13.25
15. Shredder 5 Athlon 1,2 GHz 4.0 36.0 13.00
16. Fritz 6 P2-400 3.5 44.5 16.00
17. The King 2.54 P4-1300 3.5 38.0 14.25
18. Genius 6,5 P3-800 3.5 36.5 12.00
19. Nimzo 8 Athlon 1 GHz 3.0 36.0 10.75
20. Goliath Light Exp. Athlon 1,2 3.0 35.0 10.25
21. M- Chess 7.1 P3-500 2.5 35.0 8.25
22. CM 8000 Athlon 1,2 GHz 2.5 35.0 8.00
====================================
The URL: www.rebel.nl/r11-resu.htm
So either you trust the result of such tournaments, and in this case how can you
still advocate for Shredder, or you admit that these tournaments have some
randomness and that the results have to be taken with a grain of salt, and in
this case Shredder winning last year's WMCCC is no proof of superiority.
I can already hear Weiner and you saying that "Stefan was not here". And so
what? I wasn't here either, and my program won. My program also won the very
strong Dutch Open Championship and guess what, I wasn't there. Actually my
program has never won a tournament when I was here, but has won many when I
wasn't here.
And I would not even dare to pretend my program is superior because it won these
tournaments (and many others, do you remember).
>The right way is to say:
>Shredder is world champion and must play.
>
>WE ALL SAY KRAMNIK MUST PLAY :-))
>WHY WE ALL SAY KRAMNIK MUST PLAY ??
>WHY KRAMNIK IS WORLD CHAMPION :-))
>
>AND NOW WE ALL SAY WE NEED A QUALIFICATION :-)))
>
>All other comments are not 100% correct!
>
>If we play a qualification we have a chance to say yes but this qualification is
>the next world championchip 2001. So we lose not our face in this case (for
>money?).
OK, I agree. But in this case the exact same version and hardware that will win
the 2001 W(M)CCC must play against Kramnik. Not an unknown version on a totally
different hardware.
>But not with only SMP versions, all which have interest can play the next WM
>2001.
>
>We are in the position to say all computer programs can play the WM 2001 (better
>name as Qualification).
>
>I believe the organizers forget important things and give her good name for
>money.
>
>Unfortunately, a bad day for computer chess. A bad day for comptuer chess world
>master 1996, 1999, 2000, IPCCC Champion 2000, 2001, CCT Champion Stefan Meyer
>Kahlen. The Champion of all this tourneys must play a qualification :-))
Do you need the list of tournaments won by Fritz, Tiger, Junior, Rebel and
others???
Your comment is highly biased in the sense that you give an artificially high
weight in the tournaments named "World Championship". You ignore the very
important permanent tournament named "SSDF rating list" for example, the always
very high level Dutch Championship and all the other events in which all the top
programs participated, and where Shredder simply did not win.
>I will not say Shredder is the best chess program but I will say that other
>programs play not better. 4-5 programs or a little bit more playing with a very
>high level, but Stefan have all titels. For me it is clear ... only Stefan can
>play vs. Kramnik or we play a new WM.
If the 2000 WMCCC was really the qualifying event for the match against Kramnik,
then in this case the version of Shredder that played last year must play
against Kramnik, on the same hardware.
If you want to enter a newer version on a different kind of computer, i.e. an
UNKNOWN ENTITY, then all other unknown entities have the same right to fight for
the right to play against Kramnik.
Christophe
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