Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 17:45:03 04/16/01
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On April 16, 2001 at 20:14:47, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 16, 2001 at 19:06:43, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On April 16, 2001 at 19:01:03, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2001 at 14:14:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2001 at 13:21:21, Chris Taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>>Let the single chip programs play. If confidence is so high that they are not >>>>>good enough, then fine. They are swept aside! But at least they have had their >>>>>chance! Ed has got a good program, so Does Christophe. Not to mention a score >>>>>of other programs, that given the chance to play, will at least be there! To >>>>>exclude them from the start of the race, is strange. Unless of course it has >>>>>all been decided. Hows' that for a selective search? >>>>>If the likes of Rebel Century or The Tigers, fail to qualify, at least you will >>>>>have the "Strongest" to go on and play Kramnik. And the people who say they were >>>>>not strong enough, will be able to say "Told you so" If one of the single chip >>>>>programs does win through, it will be because they had the opportunity >>>>>to take part. >>>>> >>>>>Chris Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>>I totally disagree. There is exactly _one_ program that should be playing >>>>Kramnik. Shredder. Shredder has won all of the recent computer chess >>>>tournaments. It is the current world champion. There is _absolutely_ no >>>>reason to suggest that a playoff for the right to play Kramnik is needed. In >>>>fact, the suggestion is really insulting to SMK and Shredder. If a program >>>>didn't participate in the last WMCCC event, then I conclude that Shredder is >>>>better and the author was afraid to participate and lose. And by doing that, >>>>he gave up the opportunity to take part in this match. >>>> >>>>I don't understand why there is _any_ sort of playoff under discussion, other >>>>than it is politically/marketing related. yes a newer program might be a bit >>>>better than the older Shredder that won the last WMCCC. But the new Shredder >>>>could well be better than that. closed-door back room tournaments are _not_ >>>>the way to handle this. >>>> >>>>The idea is embarassing, to say the least. When we won the 1983 WCCC event, >>>>nobody questioned who should play David Levy that year. The same logic should >>>>apply now, and SMK/Shredder should play, whether he uses a 486/33 or an 8-way >>>>xeon/900. >>>> >>>>Seems that commercial computer chess companies are just as bloodthirsty now as >>>>they were 20 years ago. And have just as few principles now as then. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>By this reasonning, the program that must play against Kramnik is the WMCCC 2000 >>>SHREDDER ON A SINGLE CPU. Because this is the program which won the 2000 WMCCC. >>> >>>Allowing another version of the program or the hardware (in particular in the >>>number of processors) is allowing an unknown entity to take part to the match. >>>In this case, I do not see why other unknown entities would not be allowed to >>>take part as well. >> >>Obviously a program is no longer an unknown entity as soon as >>Kramnik gets a copy of the program which plays. >> >>It is very hard to make hard that deep shredder is an unknown entity. > > > >It's just a matter of consistency. > >It has been said that Shredder is the only program that has the right to fight >Kramnik because Shredder is the reigning World Champion. > >Which version of Shredder has won this title? The version which played in August >2000 in London during the 2000 WMCCC, on the hardware that has been used at that >time. > >Would the current version of Shredder win a World Championship against current >versions of the other programs? Nobody knows, and any bet would be extremely >risky. > >Consequently, the ONLY thing you can be sure of is that the August 2000 version >of Shredder used in the London WMCCC has won the title. So if this World title >is the reason why Shredder has the right to fight against Kramnik, then the >version that must be used is the August 2000 version which earned the title. > >If another version is used, then it could well be that there exists a current >version of another program that would be able to defeat it badly. Then a >qualifying event with all current top programs must be organized. > >You do not allow Kasparov's son to enter the final stage of a World Championship >just because his father has won the title several years ago. So what is your plan to also make Kramnik consistent then? As he needs to forget everything in the past few months. Electroshocks to his brain? surgery? Comon your argument is completely stupid of course. > > > Christophe
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