Author: Wayne Lowrance
Date: 18:36:28 04/16/01
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On April 16, 2001 at 20:21:35, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 16, 2001 at 19:53:38, Robin Smith wrote: > >>On April 16, 2001 at 19:01:03, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2001 at 14:14:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2001 at 13:21:21, Chris Taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>>Let the single chip programs play. If confidence is so high that they are not >>>>>good enough, then fine. They are swept aside! But at least they have had their >>>>>chance! Ed has got a good program, so Does Christophe. Not to mention a score >>>>>of other programs, that given the chance to play, will at least be there! To >>>>>exclude them from the start of the race, is strange. Unless of course it has >>>>>all been decided. Hows' that for a selective search? >>>>>If the likes of Rebel Century or The Tigers, fail to qualify, at least you will >>>>>have the "Strongest" to go on and play Kramnik. And the people who say they were >>>>>not strong enough, will be able to say "Told you so" If one of the single chip >>>>>programs does win through, it will be because they had the opportunity >>>>>to take part. >>>>> >>>>>Chris Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>>I totally disagree. There is exactly _one_ program that should be playing >>>>Kramnik. Shredder. Shredder has won all of the recent computer chess >>>>tournaments. It is the current world champion. There is _absolutely_ no >>>>reason to suggest that a playoff for the right to play Kramnik is needed. In >>>>fact, the suggestion is really insulting to SMK and Shredder. If a program >>>>didn't participate in the last WMCCC event, then I conclude that Shredder is >>>>better and the author was afraid to participate and lose. And by doing that, >>>>he gave up the opportunity to take part in this match. >>>> >>>>I don't understand why there is _any_ sort of playoff under discussion, other >>>>than it is politically/marketing related. yes a newer program might be a bit >>>>better than the older Shredder that won the last WMCCC. But the new Shredder >>>>could well be better than that. closed-door back room tournaments are _not_ >>>>the way to handle this. >>>> >>>>The idea is embarassing, to say the least. When we won the 1983 WCCC event, >>>>nobody questioned who should play David Levy that year. The same logic should >>>>apply now, and SMK/Shredder should play, whether he uses a 486/33 or an 8-way >>>>xeon/900. >>>> >>>>Seems that commercial computer chess companies are just as bloodthirsty now as >>>>they were 20 years ago. And have just as few principles now as then. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>By this reasonning, the program that must play against Kramnik is the WMCCC 2000 >>>SHREDDER ON A SINGLE CPU. Because this is the program which won the 2000 WMCCC. >>> >>>Allowing another version of the program or the hardware (in particular in the >>>number of processors) is allowing an unknown entity to take part to the match. >>>In this case, I do not see why other unknown entities would not be allowed to >>>take part as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >>Christophe, >> >>By this same reasoning, Kramnik should not be playing, since he has probably >>learned a thing or two since he played Kasparov, and will certainly learn even >>more about the computer programs before the match. >> >>I have mixed feelings. >> >>1) Kramnik/Braingames are organizing the event, so they should be able to play >>anyone they want and who agress to their terms. >>2) If they want to market it as World Champion vs. World Champion, they should >>play Shredder and only Shredder. > > > >As far as I know, the current version of Shredder does not own any title. > >Only the August 2000 version of Shredder (commercialized under the name Shredder >5) owns a World title. > >If the World title is the reason why Shredder has the right to play, then it >must be the version that earned the World title. > >Computer programs are not like human beings. From one version to another they >can become very different. Also more than one year makes a lot of difference. > >In October, the planned date for the Kramnik-comp match, the title of Shredder >will be more than one year old. It is highly likely that Shredder is not the >best program anymore. > >So either you organize a test in order to determine which program is better, and >you do not exclude some programs arbitrarily, or you let the WMCCC 2000 winner >play, not a different version. > > > > > Christophe Well I dont think it is the strongest right now, based on some games posted most recently as I recall Wayne
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