Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:29:04 04/16/01
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On April 16, 2001 at 20:14:47, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 16, 2001 at 19:06:43, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On April 16, 2001 at 19:01:03, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2001 at 14:14:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2001 at 13:21:21, Chris Taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>>Let the single chip programs play. If confidence is so high that they are not >>>>>good enough, then fine. They are swept aside! But at least they have had their >>>>>chance! Ed has got a good program, so Does Christophe. Not to mention a score >>>>>of other programs, that given the chance to play, will at least be there! To >>>>>exclude them from the start of the race, is strange. Unless of course it has >>>>>all been decided. Hows' that for a selective search? >>>>>If the likes of Rebel Century or The Tigers, fail to qualify, at least you will >>>>>have the "Strongest" to go on and play Kramnik. And the people who say they were >>>>>not strong enough, will be able to say "Told you so" If one of the single chip >>>>>programs does win through, it will be because they had the opportunity >>>>>to take part. >>>>> >>>>>Chris Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>>I totally disagree. There is exactly _one_ program that should be playing >>>>Kramnik. Shredder. Shredder has won all of the recent computer chess >>>>tournaments. It is the current world champion. There is _absolutely_ no >>>>reason to suggest that a playoff for the right to play Kramnik is needed. In >>>>fact, the suggestion is really insulting to SMK and Shredder. If a program >>>>didn't participate in the last WMCCC event, then I conclude that Shredder is >>>>better and the author was afraid to participate and lose. And by doing that, >>>>he gave up the opportunity to take part in this match. >>>> >>>>I don't understand why there is _any_ sort of playoff under discussion, other >>>>than it is politically/marketing related. yes a newer program might be a bit >>>>better than the older Shredder that won the last WMCCC. But the new Shredder >>>>could well be better than that. closed-door back room tournaments are _not_ >>>>the way to handle this. >>>> >>>>The idea is embarassing, to say the least. When we won the 1983 WCCC event, >>>>nobody questioned who should play David Levy that year. The same logic should >>>>apply now, and SMK/Shredder should play, whether he uses a 486/33 or an 8-way >>>>xeon/900. >>>> >>>>Seems that commercial computer chess companies are just as bloodthirsty now as >>>>they were 20 years ago. And have just as few principles now as then. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>By this reasonning, the program that must play against Kramnik is the WMCCC 2000 >>>SHREDDER ON A SINGLE CPU. Because this is the program which won the 2000 WMCCC. >>> >>>Allowing another version of the program or the hardware (in particular in the >>>number of processors) is allowing an unknown entity to take part to the match. >>>In this case, I do not see why other unknown entities would not be allowed to >>>take part as well. >> >>Obviously a program is no longer an unknown entity as soon as >>Kramnik gets a copy of the program which plays. >> >>It is very hard to make hard that deep shredder is an unknown entity. > > > >It's just a matter of consistency. > >It has been said that Shredder is the only program that has the right to fight >Kramnik because Shredder is the reigning World Champion. > >Which version of Shredder has won this title? The version which played in August >2000 in London during the 2000 WMCCC, on the hardware that has been used at that >time. That is about the most twisted and silly logic I have ever seen. Can you get the "2000 WCC Kramnik" to play also? Is it _possible_ that he might be a bit worse this year than last year, due to practice? Maybe a few of his book lines have been busted? The argument simply won't hold water in any logical discussion. Shredder is the current WCCC. Running a newer version on faster hardware would hardly be considered "weaker" by anybody with an ounce of logic... > >Would the current version of Shredder win a World Championship against current >versions of the other programs? Nobody knows, and any bet would be extremely >risky. > >Consequently, the ONLY thing you can be sure of is that the August 2000 version >of Shredder used in the London WMCCC has won the title. So if this World title >is the reason why Shredder has the right to fight against Kramnik, then the >version that must be used is the August 2000 version which earned the title. > >If another version is used, then it could well be that there exists a current >version of another program that would be able to defeat it badly. Then a >qualifying event with all current top programs must be organized. > >You do not allow Kasparov's son to enter the final stage of a World Championship >just because his father has won the title several years ago. > > > > Christophe
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