Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:46:42 04/16/01
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On April 16, 2001 at 19:58:14, Rajen Gupta wrote: >On April 16, 2001 at 15:52:33, Peter McKenzie wrote: > >>I've been away from this forum for a while, is this whole thing a bad joke?? > >WHY DO YOU THINK IT I A JOKE? >> >>Otherwise it sounds like a completely ridiculous way to select an opponent for >>Kramnik. > >WHY IS HAVING A PLAY OFF BETWEEN THE LEADING CONTENDERS CONSIDERED A RIDICULOUS >WAY TO SELECT THE BEST PROGRAMME? WHAT OTHER WAY CAN YOU SUGGEST? PERHAPS BASED >ON WHOSE COVER LOOKS THE PRETTIEST? Any chance you will get your capslock key fixed? > >Do these guys really have the 'authority' to select an opponent for >>Kramnik? > >THE 'AUTHORITY' HAS BEEN GRANTED BY THE ORGANISERS-IN THIS CASE THE BRAIN GAMES >NETWORK WHICH IS RAISING THE SPONSORSHIP NECESSARY FOR THIS MATCH.OBVIOUSLY THEY >MUST HAVE DISCUSSED WITH KRAMNIK HIS WILLINGNESS TO PLAY SUCH A MATCH BEFORE >COMMITTING THE RESOURCES TO ARRANGE SUCH A COSTLY VENTURE. Not really. the ICCA is _the_ sanctioning body for computer chess. If Kramnik wants to play the best computer chess program in the world, the ICCA should be the entity that provides that rating. Which it does in the form of two titles, either of which is presently held by Shredder. End of story. Shredder is the WCCC and WMCCC title-holder. > >Will a match with Kramnik really take place? > >HOPEFULLY IT SHOULD; UNLESS SOMETHING UNFORSEEN (EG WITHDRAWAL OF SPONSORSHIP >MONEY; SUDDEN CHANGE OF MIND BY KRAMNIK) > >Isn't the ICCA involved >>at all? > >NO, SINCE THEY AREN'T SPONSORING THE MATCH. But they _are_ in charge of sanctioning computer chess. And they have a working relationship with FIDE. >> >>The obvious selection to play Kramnik is Shredder, this is so clear that it is >>not funny. Shredder is the current World Computer Chess Champion, and has won >>the majority of important computer tournaments in recent years. > >IF IT IS THAT CLEAR WHY NOT ALLOW IT TO BE MATCHED AGAINST DJ AND DF. SINCE IT >IS CLEARLY THE BEST IT WILL WIN ANYWAY AND GIVE US THE ADDED BENEFIT OF WATCHING >ANOTHER COMP VS COMP MATCH BESIDES SETTLING ONCE AND FOR ALL WHICH IS THE >STRONGEST SMP PROGRAMME. Shredder beat these programs a year ago in fact... > >>But yes, there are many other very strong programs and a qualification event >>would also be a very good alternative. BUT, 4 programs playing in some mickey >>mouse tournament is not a good qualification tournament! Too me it sounds >>rather sick :-(. > >NO DOUBT MANY STRONG SINGLE CPU PROGRAMMES BUT HOW MANY COMMERCIAL SMP >PROGRAMMES? >> >>Firstly, any qualification tournament should be an author operated manual >>tournament on hardware selected and supplied by the author. Only this way can >>we be certain that each program will play at its best. > >AS FAR AS I KNOW MOST OF THE COMP TOURNAMENTS SUCH AS THE ONE WHICH SHREDDER WON >ARE OFTEN PLAYED ON AUTO-PLAYER >> Totally wrong. All ICCA events are manually operated with a human operating the computer and making moves on a real board. What are you talking about here? >>Secondly, the 4 programs are really too narrow a choice. Clearly the likes of >>Tiger and Rebel should be playing. Also, there is a good case for a few other >>programs such as Gandalf, Ferret, Crafty, Hiarcs, Nimzo. > >AGREED BUT ALL THIS HAS TO BE DONE WITHIN A TIME FRAME.HIARCS, REBEL ARE CLEARLY >NOT STRONG ENOUGH (SEE LATEST SSDF RESULTS), TIGER IS LIMITED TO A SINGLE >PROCESSOR; (EVEN THE BEST PROGRAMME ON A SINGLE CPU IS HARDLY A MATCH FOR AN 8 >WAY XEON SYSTEM. MAYBE THERE IS A CASE FOR INCLUDING CRAFTY AND FERRET.PERHAPS >THERE AUTHORS SHOULD TRY TO ENTER THE SELECTION. Not me. SMK has earned the chance to play. He should get it. >> >>Regards, >>Peter > >RAJEN
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