Author: Uri Blass
Date: 21:38:53 04/16/01
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On April 16, 2001 at 22:39:06, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 16, 2001 at 17:32:13, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On April 16, 2001 at 16:24:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2001 at 14:58:08, Chris Taylor wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2001 at 14:14:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 13:21:21, Chris Taylor wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Let the single chip programs play. If confidence is so high that they are not >>>>>>good enough, then fine. They are swept aside! But at least they have had their >>>>>>chance! Ed has got a good program, so Does Christophe. Not to mention a score >>>>>>of other programs, that given the chance to play, will at least be there! To >>>>>>exclude them from the start of the race, is strange. Unless of course it has >>>>>>all been decided. Hows' that for a selective search? >>>>>>If the likes of Rebel Century or The Tigers, fail to qualify, at least you will >>>>>>have the "Strongest" to go on and play Kramnik. And the people who say they were >>>>>>not strong enough, will be able to say "Told you so" If one of the single chip >>>>>>programs does win through, it will be because they had the opportunity >>>>>>to take part. >>>>>> >>>>>>Chris Taylor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I totally disagree. There is exactly _one_ program that should be playing >>>>>Kramnik. Shredder. Shredder has won all of the recent computer chess >>>>>tournaments. It is the current world champion. There is _absolutely_ no >>>>>reason to suggest that a playoff for the right to play Kramnik is needed. In >>>>>fact, the suggestion is really insulting to SMK and Shredder. If a program >>>>>didn't participate in the last WMCCC event, then I conclude that Shredder is >>>>>better and the author was afraid to participate and lose. And by doing that, >>>>>he gave up the opportunity to take part in this match. >>>>> >>>>>I don't understand why there is _any_ sort of playoff under discussion, other >>>>>than it is politically/marketing related. yes a newer program might be a bit >>>>>better than the older Shredder that won the last WMCCC. But the new Shredder >>>>>could well be better than that. closed-door back room tournaments are _not_ >>>>>the way to handle this. >>>>> >>>>>The idea is embarassing, to say the least. When we won the 1983 WCCC event, >>>>>nobody questioned who should play David Levy that year. The same logic should >>>>>apply now, and SMK/Shredder should play, whether he uses a 486/33 or an 8-way >>>>>xeon/900. >>>>> >>>>>Seems that commercial computer chess companies are just as bloodthirsty now as >>>>>they were 20 years ago. And have just as few principles now as then. >>>> >>>>My only concern was the exclusion of certain programs, simply because they limp >>>>on one leg? >>>> >>>>I agree with you, that Shredder is World Champ, and should shoot for Kramnik! >>>>Since it appears that this will not happen? Sadly, a tounament will be played, >>>>the deed is done. But only for the exclusive few? To all the rest, not even a >>>>look in. Strange how Shredder can be let down, as well? >>>> >>>>Just me 10 penneth >>>> >>>>Chris Taylor >>> >>> >>>Just goes to show that the world isn't always fair. :( I generally try >>>to remember such things, and at some point, the "other side" will need some >>>help. But not from me. I can't believe any of this mess is happening. I >>>would hope the _authors_ of the programs would do the right thing themselves >>>and simply say "my program won't participate, this is a right earned by >>>Shredder and it is Shredder or nothing..." >> >>I think that it should be agreed before the event and not after the event. >>I see no reason to assume that winning WCCC or WMCCC give a program a right for >>something that was not agreed before the event. >> >>Uri > > >If you bill the match as "world human champion" vs "world computer champion" >then there is little choice. Shredder _does_ hold the latter title. 1)Kramnik does not hold the second title. Anand has the second title. Kramnik has another title that is considered to be more than being a world champion. 2)By the same logic kasparov could play against Fritz3 and not against Deeper blue because the fact that Fritz3 was the world champion gave a little choice to choose the opponent against kasparov Uri
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