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Subject: Re: Bad Joke?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 23:03:54 04/16/01

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On April 17, 2001 at 00:19:29, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On April 16, 2001 at 23:08:29, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On April 16, 2001 at 22:46:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On April 16, 2001 at 19:58:14, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 16, 2001 at 15:52:33, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I've been away from this forum for a while, is this whole thing a bad joke??
>>>>
>>>>WHY DO YOU THINK IT I A JOKE?
>>>>>
>>>>>Otherwise it sounds like a completely ridiculous way to select an opponent for
>>>>>Kramnik.
>>>>
>>>>WHY IS HAVING A PLAY OFF BETWEEN THE LEADING CONTENDERS CONSIDERED A RIDICULOUS
>>>>WAY TO SELECT THE BEST PROGRAMME? WHAT OTHER WAY CAN YOU SUGGEST? PERHAPS BASED
>>>>ON WHOSE COVER LOOKS THE PRETTIEST?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Any chance you will get your capslock key fixed?
>>>
>>
>>Hehe
>>I have noticed he always does it when replying, but not making an original post.
>>
>>>>
>>>>Do these guys really have the 'authority' to select an opponent for
>>>>>Kramnik?
>>>>
>>>>THE 'AUTHORITY' HAS BEEN GRANTED BY THE ORGANISERS-IN THIS CASE THE BRAIN GAMES
>>>>NETWORK WHICH IS RAISING THE SPONSORSHIP NECESSARY FOR THIS MATCH.OBVIOUSLY THEY
>>>>MUST HAVE DISCUSSED WITH KRAMNIK HIS WILLINGNESS TO PLAY SUCH A MATCH BEFORE
>>>>COMMITTING THE RESOURCES TO ARRANGE SUCH A COSTLY VENTURE.
>>>
>>>Not really.  the ICCA is _the_ sanctioning body for computer chess.  If
>>>Kramnik wants to play the best computer chess program in the world, the ICCA
>>>should be the entity that provides that rating.  Which it does in the form of
>>>two titles, either of which is presently held by Shredder.  End of story.
>>>
>>>Shredder is the WCCC and WMCCC title-holder.
>>
>>And what to do when you can't reach agreement with Shredder....look elsewhere.
>>
>>>>
>>>>Will a match with Kramnik really take place?
>>>>
>>>>HOPEFULLY IT SHOULD; UNLESS SOMETHING UNFORSEEN (EG WITHDRAWAL OF SPONSORSHIP
>>>>MONEY; SUDDEN CHANGE OF MIND BY KRAMNIK)
>>>>
>>>>Isn't the ICCA involved
>>>>>at all?
>>>>
>>>>NO, SINCE THEY AREN'T SPONSORING THE MATCH.
>>>
>>>
>>>But they _are_ in charge of sanctioning computer chess.  And they have a
>>>working relationship with FIDE.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The obvious selection to play Kramnik is Shredder, this is so clear that it is
>>>>>not funny.  Shredder is the current World Computer Chess Champion, and has won
>>>>>the majority of important computer tournaments in recent years.
>>>>
>>>>IF IT IS THAT CLEAR WHY NOT ALLOW IT TO BE MATCHED AGAINST DJ AND DF. SINCE IT
>>>>IS CLEARLY THE BEST IT WILL WIN ANYWAY AND GIVE US THE ADDED BENEFIT OF WATCHING
>>>>ANOTHER COMP VS COMP MATCH BESIDES SETTLING ONCE AND FOR ALL WHICH IS THE
>>>>STRONGEST SMP PROGRAMME.
>>>
>>>Shredder beat these programs a year ago in fact...
>>
>>How many games was that, that were played?
>>Im sure the number is going to be convincing.
>>And actually it won a tournament it didn't beat all individual programs.
>>
>>Sarah.
>
>
>Look at the WCCC crosstable.  You will see shredder played _both_ and won
>both games.  Two years worth of WMCCC and WCCC events was 21 games.  I don't
>think it lost a _single_ game.

The ssdf list is based on more games.
Shredder was never number 1 in this list.

It is considered to be also an important tournament and I do not see a reason to
assume that the WMCCC or the WCCC are the only important tournaments.

Uri



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